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Old 07-23-2007, 11:13 AM
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Default RE: KMP F-7F Tigercat

A customer pointed me to this thread this morning.

Obviously, I get pretty busy at work and don't have a lot of free time to cruise the forums to support customers. I wish I did, but then I am the web guy, sales guy, advertising guy, manager of persons, garbage man, customer service guy, and shipping guy, so my days tend to be pretty full.

As a general rule, the best way to let us know about a problem is not a post on RCU. Phoning us toll free at 1-888-968-7251 is the best way to have us hear about your problem, and get it resolved. We stand behind our product.

Until I talked to the customer who pointed to this thread this morning, I was only aware of the problem thanks to Mr. Kerster, and we've been working with him to address the problem, and as his most recent comment suggests, we've been trying to find an amicable solution for him.

In general, of course, it is not wise to leave a fiberglass aircraft out in the sun, especially a dark coloured one. Fiberglass gets soft when it gets hot and you do run the risk of it melting or deforming. We have not had this happen to us, and we don't have any aircraft in our hands that were affected to do further testing (yet). However, there are about 100 of these aircraft out there in the wild, and many of them are already in flight. I know for a fact that a good customer of ours in Arizona has been flying his and has had no problems with the paint. This is not to say that others aren't, but merely that we are working to try and determine the cause and the scope of problems such as Mr. Kerster has experienced. If you do experience such a problem and it is not related to negligence (ie. you took it to the field and left it in the sun all day), but related to a minor exposure, please call us at the number above and we'll address the problem.
Old 07-23-2007, 12:57 PM
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Default RE: KMP F-7F Tigercat

Spoke with Mr. Morrison at KMP this morning. He sounds like he will stand behind the KMP product and remedy my situation.
I need to take some pic's and mail them to the company. I will post them here as well.

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Old 07-23-2007, 10:11 PM
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Here are the pic's, outer wing panel, stab, center wing.
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:12 PM
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some more,
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:14 PM
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Old 07-23-2007, 10:15 PM
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last ones.............[&o]
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The Temp. was 87.9 degrees today in my garage according to my trusty IR temp gauge. The parts were not exposed to any sunlight since the 15 minutes on Saturday.

So what do you all think?


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Old 07-24-2007, 10:56 AM
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So what do you all think?


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I think I am going to start looking for all the bubbled and melted corvettes out on the road.
Old 07-24-2007, 11:20 AM
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Well, sounds like Paul and KMP will do something to help you with it. Paul seems very interested in it and they won't be in business long term if they don't present a nice kit. I'm sure they will resolve it. I have one due any day now and I'll try the sun test. I know on my IF when it's 80 degree's plus the surface temp on my dark blue car is easily 140+ temp.
I'm not to worried as my models get that beat look anyway from transporting and flying incidents anyway but I hope it's nice in the beginning right out of the box.
This may just have to be a special care model with the sun.
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So what do you all think?


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I think I am going to start looking for all the bubbled and melted corvettes out on the road.

Let me know how that goes................
Old 07-24-2007, 03:13 PM
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I myself have fiberglassed airplaines in the past and never had this problem even after being in the sun all day long at fly in events.
Old 07-24-2007, 05:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: Paul Morrison

A customer pointed me to this thread this morning.

Obviously, I get pretty busy at work and don't have a lot of free time to cruise the forums to support customers. I wish I did, but then I am the web guy, sales guy, advertising guy, manager of persons, garbage man, customer service guy, and shipping guy, so my days tend to be pretty full.

As a general rule, the best way to let us know about a problem is not a post on RCU. Phoning us toll free at 1-888-968-7251 is the best way to have us hear about your problem, and get it resolved. We stand behind our product.

Until I talked to the customer who pointed to this thread this morning, I was only aware of the problem thanks to Mr. Kerster, and we've been working with him to address the problem, and as his most recent comment suggests, we've been trying to find an amicable solution for him.

In general, of course, it is not wise to leave a fiberglass aircraft out in the sun, especially a dark coloured one. Fiberglass gets soft when it gets hot and you do run the risk of it melting or deforming. We have not had this happen to us, and we don't have any aircraft in our hands that were affected to do further testing (yet). However, there are about 100 of these aircraft out there in the wild, and many of them are already in flight. I know for a fact that a good customer of ours in Arizona has been flying his and has had no problems with the paint. This is not to say that others aren't, but merely that we are working to try and determine the cause and the scope of problems such as Mr. Kerster has experienced. If you do experience such a problem and it is not related to negligence (ie. you took it to the field and left it in the sun all day), but related to a minor exposure, please call us at the number above and we'll address the problem.
I really cannot beleive Paul said this. ( About not leaving the model out in the sunlight) Are we suppose to keep our models in our airconditioned homes? Then only fly them on cloudy days when the temp is below 70F. I have been flying model airplanes for 37 years and had countless painted fiberglass pattern and scale models that were left in the hot sun for hours at a time durning the contests I competed in some with outside temps 110F, nearly all above 85F and never had one bubble appear. Not to mention the times I left them in the car all day at work so I could go flying after work and we all know that it reaches 140F in a car or van. To anyone with experience this is a outgassing problem because something under the paint hasen't dried or cured completly and when the sunlight hits it, it expands creating a bubble. I have one of the new shipment t-cats enroute to me now. I am going to take it all out of the box and let it set for a while and let things finish curring. I am also waiting to hear what type of paint is used as asked several times in this thread. It isn't some military secret. So what type of paint and finishing products are used? We don't need specifics just the family of paint. Laquer, enamel epoxy, poly what?[>:]
Old 07-27-2007, 12:16 AM
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Just got my F7F today from the second batch (all fiberglass) the wings seem very strong overall very nice plane. The manual states 23lb when completed, looks like a very easy plane to put together,

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Yea man I just received mine too! Looks like a Great model. Much larger than I expected.
Better quality than I expected. I looked over the fuse and retracts. Paint is fantastic. did not have time to go over the entire contents. Going to start on it this weekend. I am going to use OS 91 four cycles but may go to 120'S this is a massive model.
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So what do you all think?


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I think I am going to start looking for all the bubbled and melted corvettes out on the road.

Let me know how that goes................

So far, I haven't found any, but it has only been about 90 the last few days. Maybe I will begin to find some around mid-august.
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Mine was supposed to ship a week and a half ago.........didn't get it yet.........how are these shipping? UPS?
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I got mine DHL
Old 07-28-2007, 09:20 AM
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Has anyone put gas motors in this plane & if so which ones?
Old 07-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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My plane number is 79 not sure if that is second batch or not.
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In the first batch was the complete F7F fiberglass ? If not what sections used regular covering. Also the one I just got has 258cc tanks (8.7) ounces.
Old 07-29-2007, 10:07 AM
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Hey We have the Typhoon and the F7 and the air line for the gear does not seem to fit as well as robarts do. The air lines can be pulled off of the valves very easily and do not have to be cut off like Robarts and leads me to believe that air could leak from these points very easily. Have any of you changed out the air lines or any of the tees or have any of you had any problems with air leaking and can anybody tell me what you have changed and what have you changed the tees and air lines to, i.e., what brand of air lines and tees? We don't want any belly landings with these birds. Also, does anyone make any quick disconnects for this thickness of air line? Thanks very much

Mike
Old 07-31-2007, 04:47 PM
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Hi, mine was shipped by DHL.
Ask Kondor for the tracking number.. Then track it.
Old 07-31-2007, 05:15 PM
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LIQUID, THE T-CAT AIRFRAME IS EXTREMELY TAIL HEAVY. I INSTALLED 2 ZENOAH G-26'S AND WITH A 3000MAH BATTERY WAY FORWARD OF CG, THE PLANE IS STILL TAIL HEAVY. SOMEONE ON THIS FORUM POSTED A THREAD STATING HE HAD TO ADD OVER 5LBS IN THE NOSE TO GET HIS T-CAT TO BALANCE. HE WAS RUNNING ELECTRICS AND HE USED THE MOTOR BATTERIES FOR THE WEIGHT. HE SAID THE BIRD CAME IN AT JUST OVER 28 LBS, (60 OZ.+ PER SQ. FT., WOAH!) STILL FLEW WELL.
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VKerster you flown the TC yet? I don't remember any posts saying you have.
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CSARB, NOT YET, MY BIRD IS ABOUT 80% DONE, A TON OF LITTLE THINGS TO FINISH UP ON. THE NOSE GEAR LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER CHALLANGE. I TOOK IT TO A LOCAL IMAA MEET A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO FOR STATIC DISPLAY AND PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER IT...............
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