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09-29-2003, 05:24 PM
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Chuck, are you an MECA member?
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09-29-2003, 08:46 PM
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Engines are just plain neat in their own right. Some guys like to buy and run engines simply to run them, and then sell them to buy something else (like me) or stash em' away for "later".
I too have owned too many engines to remember. I love to run engines!
I would put my Jett .46 up against any of the modern day "sport" performance engines anytime, anywhere. Not including the non-throttled 40 size rear exhaust piped engines, I am comparing apples to apples here (muffled side exhaust). Yes, they are more money than an OS, or TT, etc but thats what they are so buy one or buy 2 of something else.
I think there are many great engines in today's marketplace that are great performers. The Webra 50 comes to mind, the YS 45 is a good engine too. Why piss on one or the other because it can run 200 rpm faster?
Buy one of each! 
One thing about the Jetts however, allthough they make great power, they also throttle exceptionally well and hand start (one flip - honest!) easily, idle super low too. All around best engine I have in the 40 class...
I second the PIco/Skyward 40 engine also as being a great buy. Its a bit heavier built than some, but they also make good power and handle well.
Maxtenet, are you a meca member? I am, # 4651. I joined mainly because of my love for antique sparkers and I used to have a huge vintage 1/2A collection (sold it off to pay off student loans last year) but I enjoy being part of the group.
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I too have owned too many engines to remember. I love to run engines!
I would put my Jett .46 up against any of the modern day "sport" performance engines anytime, anywhere. Not including the non-throttled 40 size rear exhaust piped engines, I am comparing apples to apples here (muffled side exhaust). Yes, they are more money than an OS, or TT, etc but thats what they are so buy one or buy 2 of something else.
I think there are many great engines in today's marketplace that are great performers. The Webra 50 comes to mind, the YS 45 is a good engine too. Why piss on one or the other because it can run 200 rpm faster?
Buy one of each! One thing about the Jetts however, allthough they make great power, they also throttle exceptionally well and hand start (one flip - honest!) easily, idle super low too. All around best engine I have in the 40 class...
I second the PIco/Skyward 40 engine also as being a great buy. Its a bit heavier built than some, but they also make good power and handle well.
Maxtenet, are you a meca member? I am, # 4651. I joined mainly because of my love for antique sparkers and I used to have a huge vintage 1/2A collection (sold it off to pay off student loans last year) but I enjoy being part of the group.
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09-29-2003, 09:39 PM
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Anyone must choose the type of engine to use by the type of flying and type of airframe they intend to use. By asking which have the most power you miss the question which develop the most thrust. Large lumber spins up more thrust even with slightly lower rpm. Most high performance engines are designed to spin high rpm with smallish props. This may yield high HP numbers but may not hover a plane or make a large plane climb usefully.
In side exhaust engines I agree that Nelson and jett are on top but I've seen none at the club field.
Rossi, Webra, MVVS, and K&B make the most powerful .45-.50 engines I've seen at the local field.
I am constantly amazed at how well some engines perform while others just like them seem troublesome. I've never had an engine that I couldn't get to run acceptably.
If you plan to be in the hobby for a long time and want an engine that will be there too remember that parts availability is also important.
Strykaas: I have about the same number of planes as engines. I prefer to set them up and not move them from plane to plane. Too bad that I can't outfit them all with flightpacks at the same time. I am trying. I have an 1800 sq foot building in which I store models as well as two vans and a 6X10 enclosed trailer.
In side exhaust engines I agree that Nelson and jett are on top but I've seen none at the club field.
Rossi, Webra, MVVS, and K&B make the most powerful .45-.50 engines I've seen at the local field.
I am constantly amazed at how well some engines perform while others just like them seem troublesome. I've never had an engine that I couldn't get to run acceptably.
If you plan to be in the hobby for a long time and want an engine that will be there too remember that parts availability is also important.
Strykaas: I have about the same number of planes as engines. I prefer to set them up and not move them from plane to plane. Too bad that I can't outfit them all with flightpacks at the same time. I am trying. I have an 1800 sq foot building in which I store models as well as two vans and a 6X10 enclosed trailer.
09-29-2003, 09:48 PM
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I run an APC 11-4 on my Jett .46 in a fun fly plane. As long as you keep the top end RPM at 16,000 or above it runs great. Dont overprop it. The Jetts are not made to lug big wood (or plastic) slow, but then again if thats what you want to do go with a 4 stroke.
Take a good look at the Irvine's also. My .53 is still gaining power after a whole season of constant use. Nice engine, often overlooked.
AJC
Take a good look at the Irvine's also. My .53 is still gaining power after a whole season of constant use. Nice engine, often overlooked.
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09-29-2003, 10:00 PM
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AJ thinks like I do, that's how I ended up with 98 engines and have a MDS 1.48 coming this week. Maybe the last one available, I had to take a scratch and dent to get this one, only the box is damaged.
09-30-2003, 04:36 AM
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I run an APC 11-4 on my Jett .46 in a fun fly plane. As long as you keep the top end RPM at 16,000 or above it runs great. Dont overprop it. The Jetts are not made to lug big wood (or plastic) slow, but then again if thats what you want to do go with a 4 stroke.
09-30-2003, 06:38 AM
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If I recall, and it was a while since I tached it - in the low 17's. I run 15% fuel.
Like I said, I am not going to bash anything - I have not had an MVVS but am sure they are fine engines.
But, the Jett is also the best throttleing, best idling and best transitioning engine I have run also. All I can tell you is what I know first hand, that it is still my favourite. And not becasue it is a "jett" or cost more. Just cause' it runs the " best" overall.
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Like I said, I am not going to bash anything - I have not had an MVVS but am sure they are fine engines.
But, the Jett is also the best throttleing, best idling and best transitioning engine I have run also. All I can tell you is what I know first hand, that it is still my favourite. And not becasue it is a "jett" or cost more. Just cause' it runs the " best" overall.
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09-30-2003, 08:46 AM
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If I recall, and it was a while since I tached it - in the low 17's. I run 15% fuel.
If I recall, and it was a while since I tached it - in the low 17's. I run 15% fuel.
If the Jett can sustain those rpms without breaking, I may need to try one.
09-30-2003, 08:59 AM
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I think most people underestimate how many RPM's their engines will turn and not break. I have a pair of OS 46 VF's on a Duellist that have been propped to turn over 17K since '97. However, I didn't fly it much this year. Engines still feel new.
09-30-2003, 11:19 AM
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If the Jett can sustain those rpms without breaking, I may need to try one.
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09-30-2003, 11:50 AM
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zagnut,
You sound like a man with a mission, a boy with a gun. got any pictures in your pocket of the lucky one? Your a big mess!
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zagnut,
You sound like a man with a mission, a boy with a gun. got any pictures in your pocket of the lucky one? Your a big mess!
Max
seriously, i bought the ys' back in '88 after reading clarence lee's review where he got 16,500 rpm with a zinger 10x6 while using a muffler. the close to 17,000 i got with a 10x6 was a while back and i don't recall the brand of prop but i don't use zingers so it was either apc, mas or rev-up. i don't think the rev-up has less load than apc and i know fer sher that the mas doesn't. the reading came from a friends tnc tach and not my royal pos so i'll stand by statement even if it means that i'm through being cool.
i don't doubt that the jett is a much better engine in design, craftsmanship, reliability and perhaps power and can only wonder how it would perform with a large bore carb and pressurized fuel system.
be stiff,
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09-30-2003, 03:30 PM
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Folks,
Until you have owned and flown a Jett you will never know what true r/c engine nirvana is all about! As close to perfection as you can get!
Chuckmonger , most of my engines are from 60's and 70's, MECA covers all that stuff and has a lot of engines and parts available through their swap sheet. You should join 'em if you are interested in collecting engines.
Andrew, I am member # 4197 and really enjoy knowing that there are other engine nuts out there. Maybe we should start a collectors forum?
Max
Until you have owned and flown a Jett you will never know what true r/c engine nirvana is all about! As close to perfection as you can get!
Chuckmonger , most of my engines are from 60's and 70's, MECA covers all that stuff and has a lot of engines and parts available through their swap sheet. You should join 'em if you are interested in collecting engines.
Andrew, I am member # 4197 and really enjoy knowing that there are other engine nuts out there. Maybe we should start a collectors forum?
Max
09-30-2003, 04:40 PM
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Until you have owned and flown a Jett you will never know what true r/c engine nirvana is all about!
09-30-2003, 07:25 PM
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Jett not jet !!!
nirvana is here: http://www.jettengineering.com
nirvana is here: http://www.jettengineering.com
10-01-2003, 06:28 AM
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I think he meant the all around Jett experience, like I said they are not only beautifully made, they are excellent running engines in all respects and also make awesome power. In a word, they are as close to the ultimate all around engine that I have run. No bad points - other than one if you want to be picky, they are noisier than many others. But for some of us thats not an issue either.
AJC
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10-01-2003, 07:24 AM
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Ok
Just a question on these engines. Is some extra guru IC engine knowledge necessary to properly run/tune them ? Or is the "basic OS engine user" able to cope with it ?
Just a question on these engines. Is some extra guru IC engine knowledge necessary to properly run/tune them ? Or is the "basic OS engine user" able to cope with it ?
10-01-2003, 12:18 PM
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Yes, I did mean the all around engine experience. As far as running them, once broken in (and they have very explicit instructions for this, down to the actual rpm and # of minutes to run and cool down), they are like that Ronco rotiserie. Just set and forget it! In five years I haven't had to touch the needle valve, and I'm not exagerrating. I wish others could make an engine like this.
The designer, Dub Jett is well known and a former world champion in speed competition and they do make special engines for speed, pylon and the like as well as great sport engines. They compete with Nelsons, Edmunds, Cylclons and a lot of limited production engines from specialty shops. Check out this website to see some pictures and info about the competitors engines as well as a history of pylon engines. Very cool stuff for engine nuts!
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/...ineMetkemeijer
Max
The designer, Dub Jett is well known and a former world champion in speed competition and they do make special engines for speed, pylon and the like as well as great sport engines. They compete with Nelsons, Edmunds, Cylclons and a lot of limited production engines from specialty shops. Check out this website to see some pictures and info about the competitors engines as well as a history of pylon engines. Very cool stuff for engine nuts!
http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/...ineMetkemeijer
Max
10-01-2003, 06:31 PM
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I see that the hobby of engine collecting/accumulating is foreign to you. That's OK, I won't badger you with questions as to why.
I think it is like the question 'Why do you ride a Harley?" If I have to explain you can't understand.
I enjoy collecting, running and just examining these engines. I also love working on motorcycle engines.
I also collect guns. Much of the appeal is the same-mechanical precision.
I would love to collect Ferraris. but the budget would require a bit of work!
10-02-2003, 02:11 PM
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Being "foreign to me" does not mean I do not understand that. Some people are collecting stamps. Other ones, engines... That's all...
10-02-2003, 06:48 PM
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Jessie ,
I'm with ya on everything but the Harley Ferguson. The damn things are inherently unbalanced and shake like a dog crappin' peach pits and their performance and engineering is anachronistic. Why not get a BMW inline four and ride a real precision bike?
Sorrrry about the subject change. Get a Jett!
Max
I'm with ya on everything but the Harley Ferguson. The damn things are inherently unbalanced and shake like a dog crappin' peach pits and their performance and engineering is anachronistic. Why not get a BMW inline four and ride a real precision bike?
Sorrrry about the subject change. Get a Jett!
Max