MOKI RADIAL Care and Maintenence
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RichardGee (05-28-2024)
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JRSmith (07-07-2024)
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Today I ran up the Moki 250 for the first time since it came back from a factory repair. I am running an SEP 32x18 two blade prop. The needle settings are 1.75 and 1.25 as per factory,
I find that the 11 o clock cylinder is not firing. The temp is not increasing above 45-47C. The other cylinders are going up between 80-100C. I have checked the plug and I can see that when I remove the plug it’s quite wet. The other plugs are quite dry as they should be. I have also installed new plugs. The max ground rpm is only 3300. I remember this used to be around 3800 with the same 32x18 prop.
Any advice?
I find that the 11 o clock cylinder is not firing. The temp is not increasing above 45-47C. The other cylinders are going up between 80-100C. I have checked the plug and I can see that when I remove the plug it’s quite wet. The other plugs are quite dry as they should be. I have also installed new plugs. The max ground rpm is only 3300. I remember this used to be around 3800 with the same 32x18 prop.
Any advice?
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#5163
That would be sad for an engine that has just returned from germany from a factory repair. It would mean sending it back to germany for coil replacement. Unless it can be done at home?
Could there be any other reason? Is there a way to test if the particular coil is creating a spark in the plug? In a regular 2 stroke petrol engine, I have achieved this test by removing the plugs and installing them in the plug caps and rotating the prop, thereby creating a spark.
Could there be any other reason? Is there a way to test if the particular coil is creating a spark in the plug? In a regular 2 stroke petrol engine, I have achieved this test by removing the plugs and installing them in the plug caps and rotating the prop, thereby creating a spark.
#5164
Don't ground the spark plug to the engine itself if testing for spark. The shielded plug wires are the ground
The ground must return to the ignition or ithe unit will fail. Grounding to the engine was the way we always tested coils and ign. components in the past, but Adrian at CH warned me against it. These CDI ignitions are different than the old systems.
Can you swap the coil to a different cylinder and see if the problem persists?
And yes, this is disconcerting if the engine was just returned from a manufacturer in a non runnable state.
If I may respectfully ask, why did the engine require factory service?
Aaron-
The ground must return to the ignition or ithe unit will fail. Grounding to the engine was the way we always tested coils and ign. components in the past, but Adrian at CH warned me against it. These CDI ignitions are different than the old systems.
Can you swap the coil to a different cylinder and see if the problem persists?
And yes, this is disconcerting if the engine was just returned from a manufacturer in a non runnable state.
If I may respectfully ask, why did the engine require factory service?
Aaron-
#5166
I will try to swap the cables between cylinder 1 and 2 and check. Possibly tweak needle H and L as well. Engine starts in a few flicks though and I am using the APS fuel pump.
#5167
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You can check for the presence of a spark on any plug. The lack of a spark will be obvious.
I purchased a brand new Moki 180 and had TWO coil failures on cylinder #3. The engine was never crashed or mishandled in any way... the coil on #3 just FAILED.
This required I ship it back across the country twice for warranty repairs, resulting in the display stand and shipping container being destroyed in transit.
After a complete coil pack replacement, I finally had a reliable engine, but find Moki's entire ignition system to be antiquated and unreliable.
For the price, Moki's should come with a RainbowTronics ignition or equivalent... NOT coils buried in the hostile environment of the crankcase!
I purchased a brand new Moki 180 and had TWO coil failures on cylinder #3. The engine was never crashed or mishandled in any way... the coil on #3 just FAILED.
This required I ship it back across the country twice for warranty repairs, resulting in the display stand and shipping container being destroyed in transit.
After a complete coil pack replacement, I finally had a reliable engine, but find Moki's entire ignition system to be antiquated and unreliable.
For the price, Moki's should come with a RainbowTronics ignition or equivalent... NOT coils buried in the hostile environment of the crankcase!
#5168
I have checked the presence of a spark in all the plugs. What else can I try besides leaning out the needles and possibly swapping the cables between cylinders 1 and 2.
thanks
thanks
#5169
Seems like a simpler test would be "running the motor " with a starter (for a consistent rpm) with all plugs removed in a dark environment. May catch a inconsistent bug without disassembly. Respectfully
Aaron-
#5170
Today, I tried a few more things. Recharged the ignition battery again. Increased the spark plug gap a wee bit to get a stronger spark. Also tried swapping the cables of #1 with #2 (this resulted in both cylinders 1 and 2 not firing). More drama.
I also leaned out the L needle until engine wanted to gasp and stop. Leaned out the H needle a bit too, but max rpm never went above 3240 with an SEP 32x18 (with all spark plug cables in original place).
I contacted Dr. G at Vogelsang, he suggested getting a new ignition unit from Rainbow-tronic. Apprantely that may solve the problem even if the engine coil is a bit weak.
I dont know if the fault lies in the engine and its coils, or the blue flat box (ignition unit) on its own.
Totally confused.
I also leaned out the L needle until engine wanted to gasp and stop. Leaned out the H needle a bit too, but max rpm never went above 3240 with an SEP 32x18 (with all spark plug cables in original place).
I contacted Dr. G at Vogelsang, he suggested getting a new ignition unit from Rainbow-tronic. Apprantely that may solve the problem even if the engine coil is a bit weak.
I dont know if the fault lies in the engine and its coils, or the blue flat box (ignition unit) on its own.
Totally confused.
#5171
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Ragz - have you considered a bad hall sensor cable. The wiring is very delicate where they connect to the terminal plug. Sometimes a shorted wire can work intermittently. I had one go bad. Another I borrowed was also bad. If you can find the correct plug I have heard some can replace the plug with careful attention. BTW - I fly with an SEP 32 x 18 prop. Max RPM is 4200 consistently.
Another option is the ignition module sold by CH Ignitions in the USA.
Regards - J Tab
Another option is the ignition module sold by CH Ignitions in the USA.
Regards - J Tab
#5173
I checked the hall sensor cable as well as the connector. The connector looks pretty solid, however the cable does like a bit pinched and worn out. But I think that is just the outer heat shield casing that looks worn out. Attaching some pics.
#5174
If you have a weak coil then opening the plug gap will make it harder to get a spark. Better off closing the gap a bit.
Rainbow-tronic will work if you have bad coil/s because it has its own coils. It by passes the Moki coils.
Rainbow-tronic will work if you have bad coil/s because it has its own coils. It by passes the Moki coils.