BasinBum

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You forgot to mention that the EF Yak was a one run production that is not available, not in stock anywhere and won't be ever again. Unless you can find someone willing to part with theirs you are out of luck.

Tired Old Man

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I've been wondering when that point would finally crop up.

Rickles56

It's a new day, I still like the H9 Extra 260 with the DA 50 the best because that is what I have. The yaks are my 2nd choice... then CA extras are third, and maybe aerotech 50cc's after that.

I only really know the H9 27% Extra 260 and bigger planes 33% and up. This new extra 260 is for ease of transport. My fun flyer.

Fredo-RCU

Have a look at the EDGE 540T By Precission Aerobatics .Its built very light yet strong .Flys IMAC and 3D well ,Has a low wing loading ,a floater when landing and can be viewed at Troy Built Models or http://www.precisionaerobatics.com/ Another nice flyer is the Vision by Chip Hyde although more of a pattern looking model flys precission aerobatics and 3d well if you take the time to set it up correctly.

wgeffon

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Completely not true.
The Yak will be produced again at some point but right now the market is flooded with them.

A new 50cc plane is being built as we speak. It will be bigger and the same weight as the 87" Yak.

torqmeister

Wayne, you were able to acquire a second EF 87" Yak, weren't you. And if so, are you still flying it?

For the rest of you guys, save your money for the new Extreme Flight 50cc offering. If you haven't flown a 1450 sq in, 15-151/2 lb 50cc acrobat,you'll never know what you are missing.

From everything I've heard, the QQ Yak is the only one that comes close.

Bassin Bum, put up your money for this new EF product, & you'll be flying the best, not flaming it.

Maudib

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Ditto on the EF stuff... all of it has been top notch.

1 EF Yak
2 QQ Yak
These first two are in a class by themselves... weight of the smaller 50cc wannabe's and wingarea of the larger 50cc wish-they-could-be's

3 Chip Hyde Double Vision
Leader of the 2nd tier of 50cc aircraft +-17.25 lbs and 1600 sq. in. Great flier no bad tendencies...

4 GP Ultimate 1.60
MUCH lighter than other 50cc Ultimates and simply beautifully built.

5 jury is out...


The PA Edge is small... it looks big in numbers, but when you see one in person, it looks more like a 1.20 airplane. Very narrow fuse, teeny root & tip chord, very fragile.

Recent reports say the H9 Extra 260 2nd batch is lighter somehow and coming in much lighter than 15 lbs with a DA50...

Lanier's new 50cc offerings seem to built well, though the Yak seems to be pretty heavy stock.

Wild Hare is a good value though somewhat heavy.


I really look froward to Extreme Flight's new 50cc offering.. I have developed a trust int he man's vision, honesty and desire to develop the best performing planes on the market. FOr that reason I know this new plane will perform even better (hard to believe) than the 87" Yak...

I also look forward to a re-release of the 50cc Yak... they will come as I was told so by the man himself. And that's good enough for me... I have no demands of him other than to keep on keepin' on.

fasterthanlife

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Does anyone know when Chris talking about realeasing the new plane?

Maudib

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Chris is returning to his factory soon (right after the e-Extras are shippe dout (another really sweet plane!)

And overseeing the first batch of this new plane... so I'd guess about 30 days construction, 30 days to get in the hands of his US warehouse. And add as much as 30 days to that for varying issues...

So 3 months maybe (perhaps 2 if all goes slick). Mid May?

This is only my own personal guestimate...

Mr.Extra 260

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I thought something was abnormal about my planes weight. I have an engine supposedly heavier than the da and it weighs less than 13 pounds.

Thanks for the top 5 keep um up.

Mr.Extra 260

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Do you think the old yak will cost less?

Maudib

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What are you refering to "old yak"?

Mr.Extra 260

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Well everyone is saing their is going to be a new one say im talking about the 87 in one thats been around. Any way please post your opinion on the TOP 5!

Tired Old Man

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Let me add another that's often over looked.

Any of the Precision Aerobatics 50cc size planes fly well, and are built light.

BTerry

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The GF45i engine weighs 3.63 pounds INCLUDING ignition, pitts muffler, spark plug, and prop hardware (thrust washer, prop washer, prop nut).

The DA weighs 3.13# bare, no hardware, plug, mount, or ignition. (And it ROCKS! It is a very good engine.)

Back on topic. Top five (IMHO):
1. my scratch-built Cap 232 - 13#, 1260 in^2, ZDZ40
2. the Unobtanium EF Yak (which MAY or MAY NOT be produced again, some day...), or if you want to be called bad names by people on RCU, the KMP Yak (still available on eBay from time to time).
3. Fiber-Lite Edge 540 - big (1440 in^2 wing area), light (an HONEST 15.0# rtf with DA50)
4. the BIG Top Flite P-51 Mustang...just to be different
5. Radiocraft/Radiowave 30% Panzl 330 (BIG, LIGHT!!!, and different lines than every other YakExtraEdgeCap out there)

Here is my Cap:

Maudib

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Already did if you read a couple posts back.

The EF stuff is premium merchandise... and I expect the pricing to reflect that. So no, when the 87" Yaks come back, I expect them to remain about the same as before (unless costs go up, then so will the price).

I noticed of your top list of 5, you only own one? Have you flown the otheres? Including your #1 choice? In truth it's not quite a 50cc aircraft... though I'm sure it's been done...

You own the 260 but think the Giles is better? What makes you say that? Have you had a chance to fly someone elses?

There is a BIG difference sometimes in seeing online videos and feeling one on the sticks... a good pilot can make any plane look pretty good. But int he hands of us mere mortals just isn't as forgiving or performing as we might have expected.

Mr.Extra 260

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I know I was talking to everyone else. Yes I just based that on the videos ive seen. If you could direct me to a good video of the 260 because I really have been searching.. I also havent gotten into the 3d stuff with the 260 yet cosidering Ive flown it once very softley. I just finished it. I will go out next weekend and fly it hard and see what its got.

bodywerks

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Do you have one and have you weighed it? I'm just going off of what the site says...
"Specifications

Displacement: 45cc

Bore x Stroke: 43mm x 31mm

Dry Weight: 1650g (3.63 lbs.) not including ignition module"
Plus, although the site says "includes ignition and muffler" it is at the bottom of the specs and says nothing about the muffler being part of the weight. By the picture, it looks heavy and the specs say the weight does not include the ignition, so unless you have a digital scale and this engine to weigh and take a picture of the scale reading to prove my wrong, I will have to respectfully disagree with you about the weight including the muffler...

Maudib

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According to user reports it comes in around 3.75 lbs with ignition...

BTerry

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I am just goingoff the figures on the Troybuilt Models website. Feel free to believe him or not. 3.0 bare, 3 oz ignition, 6.5 oz muffler.

[link=http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/EngGF45i.htm]WEBSITE[/link]

MY DA50R weighed 4# 5 oz with everything except the battery, on an accurate scale. Maybe mine was a "heavy one".

Back on topic! List your 5 favorite 50cc planes.

Maudib

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My DA50 and ignition, prop washer & bolts weigh 3 lbs 3.75 oz... stock muffler weighs approx. 5 oz uncut.

For a total of rounded up 3lbs 9 oz.

The DA50 is 3.75" from the back of the mounting lugs to the prop adapter, the GF45i is 5.25" so the difference in standoffs needed to make them "even" is 1.5" and they would run right at 2 oz.

For a total of 3 lbs 11 oz vs. TBM's reported 3 lbs 9.5oz (PLUS PLUG WEIGHT you'll notice TBM says minus plug)

So you can pretty much say they are nearly identical in weight. The difference is one spins a 23x8 over 7000 and the other costs 2/3s the price.


I suppose BTerry that your weight included a wraparound pitts... bisson or slimline?

BTerry

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Yes, it has the Pitts.

This argument only came about because the original thread poster said he has an H9 Extra 260 weighing 12.5#with that engine in it.

BTerry

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Perhaps the original topic will be allowed back into the conversation? This was only about personal opinions on planes in this size range...

Brett
learning to keep my mouth shut...

Maudib

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Not an argument... just a debate... And the o-poster also rated 4 planes he's never flown too...
The reason I respnded is that this new inexpensive engine, has started a littel buzz, and a tremendous amount of initial reports talked about 7000+ rpm with a 22x10... of which I'm afraid I seriously doubt. It might very well be a great 45cc value... but no way will it output the trhust a DA50 will, let alone any other good 50cc...

It's advantage is cost. And if reliability and ease of setup/starting is not an issue may find a home inmany of these "not quite 50cc airframes:.

rmh

man o shevitz--- look at all the choices - and you don't have to have any building skills for any of em -
open box, assemble - n- fly
Having flown the CAP-- and the EFYAK and The 260 H9- It is a wash - to me - depends on the power to finished weight -
The piped YAK is pretty wild - but the smaller 260 on the 40 w/can at 13+ weight is awfully good too -
The CAP with the 40 -I liked best -but it was a one off model -lighter - better power to weight -
I don't see how anyone could complain about any of these new ARFS-as long as they had decent equipment stuffed in em.