spareanychange

Just been spyin on the traxxas forum n dropped a couple of Questions in. hehehe, i said - who would win, a STOCK revo or a STOCK savage 4.6? and all they wimpered on about was a big block revo would smoke a savage. LOL! jebus, is it me, or is the answer simple, and one 6 letter word. S A V A G E

Technito20

I happen to be a big HPI fan myself. I love my Savage a lot. I am sorry, but unfortunatley The Revo will beat any of the Savages in a race. It has been proven. On a long flat road, the Savage 4.6 can keep up with the Revo but just not in a race. Anyhow, anyday I'd choose HPI over Traxxas. I don't wanna start a HPI versus Traxxas issue, but HPI Trucks and cars have always been more durable, better built and typically geared faster than Traxxas. I'd just have to disagree that the Savage 4.6 is faster than the Revo.

spareanychange

i was on about straight line, but now u have posted a different oppinion this stupid post is gonna b swamped!!!! lol

DaveG55

Never raced a Revo, have ya???? You might be surprised by the results.

You're right about 1 thing........This is a stupid post

lstsavage

Uhhhh, my stock savage smokes both of my best friends revos, the revos have about 1.5 gallons a piece, and i also blow away this other guys savage. the revos are both tuned welll also. I broke it in really hard, has lots of snappy power, accelerates extremely fast. i beat my friends revo with my motor running extremely rich also. dont know what all you other guys are talking about, guess i just got a good motor.

Frost_

My Feedback: (1)

They mean on a track.... In a straight line on pavement the 4.6SS will hand the Revo it's ass, with both of them tuned properly (and obviously both stock). Yes, I'm sure.

DaveG55

Serious question here.

Why is everyone so proud that a truck running a .28 size motor will beat one running a .15 motor?
Would you not expect to beat a similar vehicle by a wide margin if your motor is very nearly twice the size of the competition?
It almost seems enbarrasing to brag about it.

Nanuk

Good point DaveG.

Nanuk

12Stones

Also they are different 1/10-1/8 they are 9lbs and 12lbs the extra weight makes up for the larger engine size I don't care about the speed factor but I know I can bash harder than my friends revo without breaking.

bibo

IMO the Savage and the Revo are the best trucks out there and they are both in the same price range and although the Revo has a .15 engine it's much lighter than the Savage which makes it much closer in performane.

At the end it's power to weight ratio that counts and not just engine size.

Tigger N. Bennie

It's also about gearing, but since some are using 3-speeds... they already know that.

spareanychange

what about carbon fibre TVPs?????? does it make it much lighter?

DaveG55

Ok, so theoretically, we're still talking stock 4.6 vs stock Revo, right?
Those are both 2 speed so gearing won't be a factor. I know it makes a difference but we're dealing stock for stock so it's not a factor in this.
The power to weight thing is, so far, the only thing that makes sense to me so I did some checking. I'm not using exact numbers, just stuff I picked up in a quick search and some numbers that have been posted in this thread so if I'm way off please post the numbers you believe to be correct.

Revo - about 9lbs and 1.33hp = about .15hp/lb
Savage 4.6 - about 12 lbs and 2.9hp = about .24hp/lb

Ok, that's not quite as dramatic as doubling the ratio but it is close to a 60% increase, so....
My original question stands....

Why would beating the Revo with a Savage 4.6 be something to brag about??

It seems to me that the Revo owners should be proud that their "little" truck is considered legit competition for the 4.6.

I'm not trying to start a flame war or anger anybody. It just seems about the same to me as someone with a stock Mustang GT bragging the beat a stock v6 Camaro.

bibo

The K4.6 found in the SS 4.6 was dynoed @ 1.34 HP by Nitro Dyne Systems , I am not sure about the .15 engine found in the Revo , but I don't think it's that much overrated like the K4.6.

http://www.nitrodynesystems.com/Engine%20Database.htm

MBX5T Maniac

My Feedback: (-1)

It's Traxxas' fault for putting a .15 engine in an MT

DaveG55

Heck, if you get right down to it isn't the whole MT thing Traxxas' fault???
Wasn't the Pro.15 T-Maxx the first true MT? At least the first real popular one anyway?

Wizz Kid

something isnt right with that dyno test thing......

icecreamslick

My Feedback: (9)

I am a fairly inexperienced racer, but at the local track last night I finished 4th out of the 10 monster trucks that raced. I drive a Savage LE with the stock 25 motor and I was one of two Savages against no less than 8 Revos.

I was kind of jittery in the driver's stand, so I was paying close attention to my own truck rather than watching what everybody else was doing, but I did notice two main points:

1) The Revo drivers did not have to slow down as much through the corners as I did.
2) My Savage dusted any nearby Revo in the straightaways.

Even though I'm not the best driver and I did make the corner marshals work a good bit, I left that track with a grin. I think that the reason so many people like to brag about the Savage being faster than the Revo is due to the way the Revo drivers talk down about all other monster trucks.....don't tell me my truck is not as good as a Revo, because I just beat several of you to the finish line, and I still don't know what in the hell I'm doing.

gerwen

That pretty much sums it up. The revo is a better handling truck, no argument there, but the difference isn't so much that you can't compete with them at the local club level.

Alexey

Definitely! Some engines are supposed to produce almost double the power, according to manufacturers' spec.

Maybe they used "untuned" pipes for their tests?

azzman

quote:

Its not that something isnt right with that dyno testing thing...thats the only thing that is right...its the manufacturers claims that something isnt right with.

PSG-1

A lot of their arguments are stupid though. People are saying well if you put a BB in a revo it'll smoke a savage.... yeah duh that's twice the power of the stock engine what do you expect? Power to weight ratio.... that's the key. If you stuck an engine twice the size of the .28 in a savage it'd probably scream too.

spareanychange

i think i could solve the whole handleing issue with 8 small pieces of fuel pipe, just use the pipe to lower the savage and itll handle like a dream. now, i still consider that stock cos i have a few pieces of fuel line lying on the desk infront of me! thats hardly hopping or modding!!

bibo

or you can get this low CG racing chassis from HPI :

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...L=++&search=Go

The Low CG chassis plates reposition the engine a full 12mm lower than the stock chassis improving the handling of the Savage.

MBX5T Maniac

My Feedback: (-1)

this guy was racing a Savage at a big race, and it was so low, it looked exactly like a truggy, and finished 3 place out of all the Revo big-blocks, TNX's, and LST's. How is that?