lwatson

My Feedback: (2)

I first took bdavisions settings and modified them slightly. (Only TH-CV/IDL1 ) They work very well, they definitely tone down the throws. But I don't understand them all. See comments at end of settings.

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First set it for PPM. NOT PCM

Pick swashplate type SR-3
Goto SWASH AFR
make ailerons -50%
make elevator +58%
make pitch +64%

Goto END POINTS

make throttle 43/100

Goto REVERSE
reverse the ailerons, and the throttle

Goto PIT-CV/NOR
Point 1 46.0%
Point 2 52.5%
Point 3 57.5%
Point 4 63.5%
Point 5 75.0%

Goto PIT-CV/IDL1
22%
39.0%
57.5%
67.5%
78.5%

Goto TH-CV/NOR
Point 1 0%
Point 2 25.0%
Point 3 50.0%
Point 4 75.0%
Point 5 100.0%

Goto TH-CV/IDL1

Point 1 100%
Point 2 75%
Point 3 50%
Point 4 75%
Point 5 100%




Goto REVO./NOR
Mix = ON
Point 1 -20%
Point 2 -10%
Point 3 0%
Point 4 +10%
Point 5 +20%

Goto the advanced menu

Goto HOV-THR
MIX = ON
Turn the VR(c) knob till it reads
RATE=0% (-71%)

Goto HOV-PIT
MIX = ON
Turn the VR(a) knob till it reads
RATE = 0% (+10%)

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I don't know why we set throttle to only 43% of throw, is this just something strange in the 3 and 1?
I think I want to increase the head spead at hover, but I want to keep it at 50% travel on the stick how do I do that? Is this something I can just do with the knobs?
Also I want to increase the travel of the servos back to the stock deflections, but put some expo in the ailerons and elevators. Anyone else feel this need? How much expo?

I think I am really going to enjoy this much control on the Blade CP Pro, it is very very cool.

Please share settings you are using.

Thanks, Larry

manu2604

My Feedback: (2)

9C TX for cp pro, good idea! what receiver are you using? and how do you plug it in to the 3 in1?

lwatson

My Feedback: (2)

You leave the 3 in 1 in and just change the crystal to match the 9c. Be sure and get a Futaba Single conversion black label crystal.

manu2604

My Feedback: (2)

hey, thanks for your reply!!!

mustangflyer2

How do you set up the heading lock gyro for the 9c ?

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Very good question. I've done the above and my LED on the 3 in 1 just goes solid red. Everything works except the throttle. Suspect my heading hold G90 on my BCPP may have something to do with it.

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

My problem with the solid red LED is that I had the throttle numbers reversed. Duh! Works great now.

I got my G90 working too. I set CH 5 to VR-B and reversed CH 5. Works JUST like the original TX with the G90 except it's on VR-B now.

Now if I could just figure out the helicopter equivilents of airplane dual-rates, I think I'd have this Pro where I could tame this beast. Any ideas?

lwatson

My Feedback: (2)

Try some dual rates on ch 1 and 2. I tried some expo, it worked, but I really didn't like the effect. With 30% expo, in hovering I went from about a 1/4" constant corrections to about 1/2" constant corrections. (These things just don't fly themselves)


Also changed the idl1 curve so it matched the NORM curve on points 3, 4, and 5. That way you can flick the idle up and not get a big suprise, and the tuning for general flying stays constant. I know the higher pitch is suppose to give you more power, but I just found they bogged down the motor. Perhaps when I go brushless I will flip it back.

Goto PIT-CV/IDL1

Point 1 22.0%
Point 2 39.0%
Point 3 57.5%
Point 4 63.5%
Point 5 75.0%

Also found the settings a little soft on ailerons, and elevators so I went to

Goto SWASH AFR
make ailerons -60%
make elevator +68%
make pitch +64%

Again, this is so you can hover without throwing the stick to extreemes. These settings still do not have as much aileron and elevator throw as the stock setup.

wingswest

My Feedback: (6)

These setting were made by me on Runryder a while ago. I guess some people forget to give credit to the creator. Anyway here are updated settings that work. I used them with my blade cp, that had a TP 910 lipo, bellhiller upgrade, carbons on the mains and the tail and 2 heat sinks on the main and tail motors. This heli is basically a Blade CP pro but better.

Those are setting I posted some time ago and they work great but If you want full movement in the servos have a AIL Rate in SWASH AFR to about -84
These are the settings I have used for a while and they have worked for me. Inverted works fine too.
<=======================>
<= BLADE CP settings for 9C =>
<=======================>


//---------------------------------/
// Go to PARAMETER /
//--------------------------------/

Type>HELI (SR-3)
MODUL>PPM
ATL>ON

//---------------------------------/
// Go to SWASH AFR /
//------------------------------- /

RATE-AIL> -84%
ELE> +58%
PIT> +64%

//---------------------------------/
// Go to REVERSE /
//--------------------------------/

Reverse 1:AIL
Reverse 3:THR

//---------------------------------/
// Go to TH-CV/NOR /
//--------------------------------/

POINT 1> 0.0%
2> 25.0%
3> 50.0%
4> 75.0%
5> 100.0%

//---------------------------------/
// Go to PI-CV/NOR /
//--------------------------------/

POINT 1> 46.0%
2> 52.5%
3> 57.5%
4> 63.5%
5> 75.0%

//---------------------------------/
// Go to REVO./NOR /
//--------------------------------/

MIX>ON
POINT 1> -20%
2> -10%
3> 0%
4> +10%
5> +20%

//---------------------------------/
// Go to THR-CUT /
//--------------------------------/

-For this you can choose the switch that you want to use throttle cut
-I prefer the H switch becuase it is the easiest to reach when I am flying or when I need to use it

MIX>OFF
RATE> 0%
THR> 5%
SW> H
POSI> DOWN

<============================================== ================================================== ============>


-Now go to [ADVANCE(HELI)] menu by pressing Mode/Page button


//---------------------------------/
// Go to THR-CURVE /
//--------------------------------/

-Go up to >NORM(NORM) by using the up and down arrows
-Then Scroll with Dial to >IDL1(NORM)
-Use arrows and go down to MIX>INH and switch it to MIX>OFF using dial
-Change points to what follows:
MIX>OFF
POINT 1> 100%
2> 75%
3> 50%
4> 75%
5> 100%


//---------------------------------/
// Go to PIT-CURVE /
//--------------------------------/

-Go up to >NORM(NORM) by using the up and down arrows
-Then Scroll with Dial to >IDL1(NORM)
-Change points to what follows:
POINT 1> 22%
> 39.0%
> 57.5%
> 67.5%
> 78.5%

//---------------------------------/
// Go to HOV-THR /
//--------------------------------/

Turn MIX>ON
Rate> 0% (- 70%)
VR> +VrC
MODE> NORM
To get to - 70% use the VR(C) Knob on the TX

//--------------------------------/
// Go to HOV-PIT /
//--------------------------------/

Turn MIX>ON
Rate> 0% (+ 15%)
VR> +VrA
MODE> NORM
To get to +15% use the VR(A) Knob on the TX

//---------------------------------/
// Go to THR-HOLD /
//--------------------------------/

[THR-HOLD]
MIX> OFF
POSI> 0%

[RUD-OFST]
MIX> INH
OFFSET> 0%

<============================================== ================================================== ============>
-Idle Up 1 switch is Switch G which is Default
-You can adjust to your needs and likes
-******MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE SETTINGS ARE RIGHT BEFORE FLIGHT IS ATTEMPTED!!!!!!!!********


//---------------------------------/
// Credits /
//--------------------------------/

-If you need any help with these settings PM on Runryder via WingsWest328
-Cameron
-If further help is needed you can catch me on AIM: WingsWest328
-Hope these settings work for you, and have fun flying

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Thanks for the fine work, WingsWest. Nice to see who finally gets credit for putting this all together. I gues through translations over several sites, it seemingly gets lost.

I noticed that you did not include this in your setup:

Was this an oversight in your post or is it not necessary? If it wasn't in your original configuration, any idea why someone apparently added it and what it actually does?

Thanks,
bob

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Gee... Come in here and lay a claim to fame and then disappear. Go figure.

wingswest

My Feedback: (6)

Hey, sorry about that. I never got the e-mail saying some1 had replied because my computer crashed and lost all my data including that e-mail I guess. As for the 43/100, yes I did leave that out because the person I originally consulted with to develop the settings told me that but I dont remember using it and I just checked my radio and its set on 100/100 and thats how I have been flying. I don't know what it was for and I do know that it doesn't need to me messed with. Sorry for the late response,
Cameron

Edit: For more play in the aielerons change the swash arf for it to 84%, another stupid setting from the beginning.

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Sorry for the seemingly harsh reply. I do appreciate your sharing your information with us.

I think I'll put mine back to 100/100 since that's the way you're doing it.

What would you do to "calm it down" as opposed to making it more aggressive (What settings would you suggest playing with/changing)? This thing needs toning down bad until I get a little better at it. Mine's a Pro wit the BH head so it's more sensitive to begin with.

wingswest

My Feedback: (6)

I take what I just said back. I have mine on 43/100. When I checked my radio it was actually on one of my airplanes. Sorry about that. To tone down the inputs, you can adjust the expo. You can make it to where when you move the stick it only gives just a little input and makes it less touchy, if that is what you are looking for. If so you can change the expo to a lesser number to get a less sensitive input. So you would change the expo on channels 1 and 2. I do remember when I switched to the BH. It was a lot more sensitive, but a lot better for acro. You could flip it over like nothing and it was so easy to fly, but that was after flying for a while too.

lwatson

My Feedback: (2)

Play with the SWASH settings, these are very calm.

Goto SWASH AFR
make ailerons -50%
make elevator +58%
make pitch +64%


I am a little mystified over this setting
//---------------------------------/
// Go to THR-CUT /
//--------------------------------/

MIX>OFF
RATE> 0%
THR> 5%
SW> H
POSI> DOWN

The only thing that happens when you activate switch H is the red light blinks. It has no effect on throttle in either the normal or idle1 setting. Please set me straight.

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Thanks guys.

I'm a little mystified by the settings on the rotary dials. What do they do? What if they accidently get moved while flying another model? Is this something that should be checked each time prior to flying?

Is there a such thing as dual rates like I'm used to on airplanes? Seems to me that you should set the swash settings and leave them alone and do something like dual rates or something.

Sorry. All this heli stuff is totally new to me. If ya need any help setting up a giant scale, let me know. LOL

wingswest

My Feedback: (6)

To be honest, I really dont know what the dials do and they dont need to be really worried about. The person i originally consulted with to develop the settings gave me those and at the time I never thought anything of it. The dual rates are defintley possible, in fact they are better if you have some for hovering and then you can flip the switch and go into an acro. You set it up just like you would on an airplane, on the ailerons and elevator

lwatson

My Feedback: (2)

The VrA knob and VrC knob adjust the hover pitch point and hover throttle point respectively. To see these in action, go to your throttle curve settings and move the VrC knob you will notice it changes the 3rd point. (center point)

You can also change the VrA and VrC knob to also work in idle up. (that is what I did)

So these can be used to adjust the head speed at hover, much like changing the pitch linkages. For instance if you want a little more head speed, turn down the VrA knob so you get less pitch and turn up the VrC knob so you get more throttle. (I always land before messing with these)


Most people set up the idl1 settings to be more aggressive, so that becomes the dual rates. There is also idl2 settings so that would give you triple rates. But, as you note, this does not change the amount of travel of the servos. You should probably play with dual rates / expo and let us know if you like the results.

rc-mike

I read somewhere you had to change the crystal in the transmitter to a single conversion crystal also for a 9C to work. Is this true?

wingswest

My Feedback: (6)

Yes you do. Just buy this rx crystal in your channel and you're set.


High Frequencies
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXBFL2**&P=M
Low Frequencies
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...I=LXBFL1**&P=M

rc-mike

So you have to change the TRANSMITTER crystal to single conversion also? Or are you saying I would be set with just a single conversion receiver crystal?

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Sorry I missed this before tonight. Single conversion v. dual conversion crystals are a receiver only thing. The TX does not care. Not sure where or why that confusion developed above but I wanted to make sure it was clear for those who my be new at all this.

rc-mike

Ah, thank you. That is what I was thinking but I read it in some other thread somewhere. I just got my wife to pick up a blade for me today so I will be looking into using my 9C with it.

wingswest

My Feedback: (6)

Ya sorry I forgot to mention that. Yes it is the reciever crystal you are switching.

WilsonFlyer

My Feedback: (13)

Very Good. Start with the settings as outlined above and you will be VERY pleased. It turns the Blade into a different heli. I swear.