Convert Experimental plane to giant scale?
02-10-2003, 09:47 PM
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I have a single place Teenie I experimental plane that I want to convert to a giant scale model. Three of the Vantec 27 ft/lb servos would fly it nicely. It's got a 65 hp VW on it and an empty weight of 480lbs. Can someone tell me what it would take to get a waiver of the 55lb weight limit for it?
I don't have a picture of my airplane which is a taildragger, but I found this picture of a Teenie II to show what a Teenie looks like.
I don't have a picture of my airplane which is a taildragger, but I found this picture of a Teenie II to show what a Teenie looks like.
02-11-2003, 01:50 AM
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I doubt you will get a waiver, but just contact the AMA directly. They will know exactly who you should talk to.
The waiver is only required if you plan on flying it at an AMA sanctioned event, or affiliated flying field. I don't think most CD's would allow it, so the waiver might be a moot point to begin with.
If you want to fly it, and can't get the waiver, just find a very large piece of land, far from the public, get permission to use the land, and go for it. Just plan for safety, and make sure you video tape it so we can all share in the first few flights.
Crazy you are. But, well, I'd like to see it fly myself
It would be a fun engineering project.
The waiver is only required if you plan on flying it at an AMA sanctioned event, or affiliated flying field. I don't think most CD's would allow it, so the waiver might be a moot point to begin with.
If you want to fly it, and can't get the waiver, just find a very large piece of land, far from the public, get permission to use the land, and go for it. Just plan for safety, and make sure you video tape it so we can all share in the first few flights.
Crazy you are. But, well, I'd like to see it fly myself
It would be a fun engineering project.
02-11-2003, 03:33 AM
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Daren I really don't want to get into this particular plane, it's a bit overweight empty. It would be fine RC though. I'm working on an ultralight and another experimental plane for me to fly in.
Stephen is thinking what I was. I was thinking I could find a place to fly it away from everything and have fun. I have been working with wireless video links lately so I could get an aerial perspective as well as watch the gauges remotely. It would definitely be an engineering feat.
Stephen is thinking what I was. I was thinking I could find a place to fly it away from everything and have fun. I have been working with wireless video links lately so I could get an aerial perspective as well as watch the gauges remotely. It would definitely be an engineering feat.
02-11-2003, 04:17 AM
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A friend of mine flys RC ultralights for the government. His 'private' (I'm always jealous of this) field is close enough to our regular field that he has a reserved channel. When he isn't flying back and forth to who knows where, he flys the "little" stuff with us!
From what I know, he uses fairly stock ultralights, and converts them for RC use. Not sure what type of equipment he uses. I guess its nice to have the government behind him, which means he doesn't need the AMA insurance or waivers
From what I know, he uses fairly stock ultralights, and converts them for RC use. Not sure what type of equipment he uses. I guess its nice to have the government behind him, which means he doesn't need the AMA insurance or waivers
02-11-2003, 04:46 AM
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How nice
Some of us have to work for a living. Converting ultralights for RC use just doesn't sound like something the government should pay for, I'd do it for free!
If I thought I could get more money for the Teenie as an RC plane, I'd do it. I haven't been able to sell it, I thought maybe I could get my money's worth out of it by converting it to RC. The engine is fairly decent, a little small for my experimental project, a KR-2S.
Hey nice Decathalon project. I assume you've seen the 75% Extra RC project. It's got an HKS engine, not a cheap engine.
I think the UL engine I have would be great in a 75% Extra, it's 45hp and only 89lbs with the redrive.
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If I thought I could get more money for the Teenie as an RC plane, I'd do it. I haven't been able to sell it, I thought maybe I could get my money's worth out of it by converting it to RC. The engine is fairly decent, a little small for my experimental project, a KR-2S.
Hey nice Decathalon project. I assume you've seen the 75% Extra RC project. It's got an HKS engine, not a cheap engine.
I think the UL engine I have would be great in a 75% Extra, it's 45hp and only 89lbs with the redrive.
-Tom
02-11-2003, 05:53 PM
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Souldn't be a problem. There are aircraft that fly at the shows that are only a bit smaller
Steve Hollands comet and the biplanes are similar in size to that thing.
Steve Hollands comet and the biplanes are similar in size to that thing.
02-11-2003, 06:15 PM
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Reliability has to be proven
Perhaps after a flyoff period it might would be welcome at shows. Balance might be difficult to achieve with the VW since the pilot's weight is usually about 24 inches behind the CG. I have a lighter engine I could use up front, a 430cc UL engine w/reduction drive.
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In the States - experimental RC class goes up to 110 lbs. This means that you are probably going to find it very difficult to get a waiver. The second option is outside insurance - not sure where you would get that or the costs.
In Europe - weights in excess of 55 lbs are not uncommon and several exceed 110lbs. If you get a chance, watch teh La Ferte' videos from SKS or Propwash. There is a small twin (I can't remember the name but will think of is as soon as I post this I am sure!) experimental plane which was converted to RC.
In Europe - weights in excess of 55 lbs are not uncommon and several exceed 110lbs. If you get a chance, watch teh La Ferte' videos from SKS or Propwash. There is a small twin (I can't remember the name but will think of is as soon as I post this I am sure!) experimental plane which was converted to RC.
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Originally posted by Fly4Fun2
In the States - experimental RC class goes up to 110 lbs. This means that you are probably going to find it very difficult to get a waiver. The second option is outside insurance - not sure where you would get that or the costs.
In the States - experimental RC class goes up to 110 lbs. This means that you are probably going to find it very difficult to get a waiver. The second option is outside insurance - not sure where you would get that or the costs.
02-11-2003, 08:00 PM
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Convert Experimental plane to giant scale?
Originally posted by Fly4Fun2
In the States - experimental RC class goes up to 110 lbs. This means that you are probably going to find it very difficult to get a waiver. The second option is outside insurance - not sure where you would get that or the costs.
In Europe - weights in excess of 55 lbs are not uncommon and several exceed 110lbs. If you get a chance, watch teh La Ferte' videos from SKS or Propwash. There is a small twin (I can't remember the name but will think of is as soon as I post this I am sure!) experimental plane which was converted to RC.
In the States - experimental RC class goes up to 110 lbs. This means that you are probably going to find it very difficult to get a waiver. The second option is outside insurance - not sure where you would get that or the costs.
In Europe - weights in excess of 55 lbs are not uncommon and several exceed 110lbs. If you get a chance, watch teh La Ferte' videos from SKS or Propwash. There is a small twin (I can't remember the name but will think of is as soon as I post this I am sure!) experimental plane which was converted to RC.
02-11-2003, 09:09 PM
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Yep - Cri Cri is correct - I kept thinking cricket. Thanks, that would have bugged me all day (sorry for the pun!)
As for self-insure or no insure - true, this is an option. I guess everyone has their own risk tolerances.
As for self-insure or no insure - true, this is an option. I guess everyone has their own risk tolerances.
