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Old 11-19-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MattyMatt
To simplify, in the US, up to 55lbs, ready to fly (full fuel/smoke), over 55lbs the plane has to be certified and many limitations begin.
I have to take exception to "many limitations begin." The thrust limit for models over 55 lbs is wet weight plus 5 lbs, and that's more than you get for a plane that is 55 lbs. Also, the inspection process for planes that are between 55 lbs and 77.2 lbs (LTMA-1 category) is an owner inspection and a qualification flight with a CD to sign off. Between 77.2 lbs and 100 lbs (LTMA-2), you need an LTMA inspector to inspect your plane and signoff the quanification flight, but that's not that difficult to do either. With the new rules, the certification is good for 3 years.

LTMA-2 airplanes are limited to 170 MPH max, but other than that, there are no restrictions for normal operations of jets over 55 lbs.

The rules and inspection process for jet over 55 lbs have been significantly simplified and there is no real reason to shy away from jets over 55 lbs or to not follow the rules to do so.

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Old 11-19-2017, 01:19 PM
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Well.... in Germany you need a licence for plane over 25 kg.... then the model needs to get prooved.... 10 tomes of the weight of the fuselage positive and 8 times negative... my t2 had 210 kg on the wings.. and 30 kg on thr elevator.... the inspection needs to get renewed every year....

no thrust limit and no speed limit..... I was thinking it is a bit easyer in USA.....
Old 11-26-2017, 04:08 PM
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125lbs..rtf...inspected by LmaI with ama...
Old 11-26-2017, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BillJ
125lbs..rtf...inspected by LmaI with ama...
Not for Jets. LTMA maxes out at 100 lbs.
Old 11-26-2017, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Racerbuilder
Well.... in Germany you need a licence for plane over 25 kg.... then the model needs to get prooved.... 10 tomes of the weight of the fuselage positive and 8 times negative... my t2 had 210 kg on the wings.. and 30 kg on thr elevator.... the inspection needs to get renewed every year....

no thrust limit and no speed limit..... I was thinking it is a bit easyer in USA.....
Jets up to 25 kg, the only restrictions are 200 mph and maximum of 50lbs of thrust.

25 to 35 kg, (LTMA-1) the restrictions are they have to be inspected (certified every 3 years) as long as it was not crashed/damaged or changed. The restrictions aren’t bad:
— Thrust: maximum of 5 lbs of thrust more than the weight of the plane, with a maximum of 75 lbs of thrust total.
- Speed is still 200mph

35kg to 45.35kg (LTMA-2)-
- major restrictions are
- Maximum of 170 mph
- maximum thrust of +5 lbs of thrust more than the plane weighs with a maximum thrust of 90lbs.

There are different pilot experience requirements for both LTMA 1 & 2.
Old 11-26-2017, 05:38 PM
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If you don’t fly within the AMA safety code you then have to fly within the FAA’s rules.

Nothing more than 25kg (55lbs) and 400 ft ceiling. Anything over 55lbs has to go through FAA certification including N number assignment... the rest is completely unclear.
Old 11-26-2017, 07:30 PM
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I recently certified an LTMA-1 model. There was nothing having to do with N-number assignment, only some paperwork with AMA, and a sign-off from me as pilot/self-inspector and a CD. It was actually a pretty simple and efficient process. I did not find anything about it to be unclear, and it seems appropriately focussed on safety of flight.

I think we are agreeing and you are saying that if you don't go with AMA, you have an unclear process .. which may well be true.

I think AMA and JPO have done a good job of navigating what might otherwise have been a more complex and onerous process.

Just my two cents.

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Old 11-27-2017, 06:40 AM
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Dave, Matt means if you're not AMA then over 55 lbs needs an N-Number and some unclear rules.
Old 11-27-2017, 07:22 AM
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Yes, understood. I was trying (in a rather unclear way!) to agree with him :-)
Old 11-27-2017, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ww2birds
Yes, understood. I was trying (in a rather unclear way!) to agree with him :-)
Clear as mudd... lol. 😉
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Is the 55 pound limit dry or wet weight?

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Old 12-14-2018, 04:09 PM
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Ok I finally found it. Looks like its the ready to fly weight with fuel.
Old 12-14-2018, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MaJ. Woody
Is the 55 pound limit dry or wet weight?
Wet weight.
Old 12-14-2018, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MaJ. Woody
Is the 55 pound limit dry or wet weight?
Wet, not only with fuel, but if the plane has a smoke system, the smoke must also be full... and if you fly with ordinance, that also must be on.

It is is meant to be at “takeoff” weight.
Old 12-14-2018, 05:43 PM
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Just thinking about the Sabre I am building. Pretty sure the TO weight will be less than 55 pounds.
Old 12-14-2018, 06:26 PM
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Dom,

My F-86 including full bypass and drop tanks is 48.4lbs (22.0kgs) DRY. Thankfully downunder our limit is 55lbs (25kgs) DRY. So my F-86 will not pass your WET limit.

Good luck with the diet.

JanR
Old 12-14-2018, 07:47 PM
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Mine was 41lb dry without the wing tanks.
Old 12-14-2018, 07:51 PM
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Good to know guys!

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