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Old 12-16-2003, 11:38 AM
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Wow Nitro, that is amazing. Now I know why the heart doctors here can own ranches, full scale helicopters and a ferrari! That is just plane hiway robbery!
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Discalimer: USe the following information at your own riskOne of the best non-surgical procedures to avoid stitches when having deep wounds (w/out ragged edges) such as the ones you get when a hobby knife slices through your fingers is >>>>[&:] to get an egg (and I am serious about it[>:])
For those of you who cook, have you noticed that when you crack open an egg there is a membrane between the shell and its contents?.. well this is what you use to treat your wound.
SOP for EGG-Based wound treatment:
1. Clean and disinfect the wound peroxide, thimerosal or other disinfectant is ok
2. Bring an egg (the fresher the better.. you might need an assistant but i've done this myself.
3. Crack open the egg and extract the membrane from the shell (it usually comes out in strips)
4. Put the membrane over the wound as you would a Band aid (slimy face down) and smooth over the wound
5. make sure the edges of the wound are aligned and keep covering with more membrane strips until all the wound is wrapped
6. Let it dry.

what happens is the following, the inside of the egg is sterile, and the white contains a lot of enzymes and compunds that help develop the embryo (or heal your wound). After you cover the wound, the membrane dries up and seals the opening it looks like a cast and is hard... (one time i used too much and had to redo it because it was too tight )
Anyway to this date ia heve used this to treat machete and knife wounds to own fingers, my wife cut her finger on a glass, two nieces... a neighbour.. etc.. the original recipe is from my grandma
Old 12-16-2003, 12:26 PM
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Caffenman sorry to hear of you misfortune, gods speed with recovery.

I noted you mentioned what appeared to be a regular regime of ointments and Peroxide...

A word of advise from one who learned the hard way. Peroxide is used as a first contact cleanser lets say, very powerful stuff. Thereafter its to strong and defeats the healing process.

I cut the tip of my finger similar to yours, I cleaned it regularly for a week after seeing the doctor. I mistakenly interpreted it was OK to use the peroxide on a regular basis verse's initially. Any way it caused some problems with my finger tip and I had to go back and have some additional work done on the tip and ended loosing some mass because of tissue damage caused by the regular use of the peroxide...
Old 12-16-2003, 12:32 PM
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the above statement is very correct. Hydrogen Peroxide is powerful stuff. It kills germs and surface bacteria, but also kills all living tissue as well. Using it after initial trauma will prohibit the healing process
Old 12-16-2003, 01:24 PM
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ive never heard of the egg method... to me (not saying it dont work) it ranks up there with letting your dog fido lick your wounds..[:'(] peroxide always.. till it doesnt foam anymore.. and if a slice.. some reg superglue.. and a bandaid.. and good to go!
Old 12-16-2003, 02:39 PM
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LOL Graupner fan...
only that Fidos' mouth is full of bacteria, the inside of the egg is "usually" sterile (unless i sbeginning to rot)
Old 12-16-2003, 02:45 PM
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Been there. DOne that! I was unfortunate enough to have the same thing happen to me. I was cutting Oak strips for landing gear blocks and the strip kicked back and I cut the end of my left thumb off so only the nail was holding the two pieces together! I went to the ER and waited for what seemed like hours. I then just unwrapped my wound and let the blood drip on the floor. The nurse then got mad at me and ushered me into a waiting room. 35 stitches and luckily, the saw missed the bone tip. But had wripped the meat off in a rather large piece. The real pain was when he injected the pain killer! oh my GOD!
Anyway, I can still count to 10!
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Old 12-16-2003, 03:16 PM
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The egg remedy sounds a bit zaney, can you say seminella? As long as we are talking first aid if you ever get a small cut don't stick your finger in your mouth. The bacteria in your mouth isn't what you want to get in a cut, good cause of infection. Next time to stop the bleeding direct pressure on the wound, elevate above your heart, and apply pressure to the major artery (on your arm that would be below the bicep on the inside a few inches down from your armpit).

Cafeen dude, you never said exactly how it happened. Did you reach over the blade to pull the piece thru? When it kicks back it takes the fingers through the blade, very common table saw mistake. Or did you have the blade up too high and it came through the piece? I always say never crank up more blade than the amount of finger you want to cut off.

This would be a good place to pass on what you did wrong so others might not make the same mistake.
Old 12-16-2003, 03:47 PM
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ok - no more talk about gangrene, staph infections, amputations, male pattern baldness or impotence. I just came back from the doctor and he said, "It looks good. It will heal fine, but you'll have a flat spot. I'll have the nurse put a fresh dressing on it."

The nurse put some neosporin on it and a guaze.
Old 12-16-2003, 04:03 PM
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GOOD!!

Damn man you had me worried with that "I aint go to no doctor" approach!!

Yea.. Hydrogen peroxide KILLS your ftissue if it comes in contact with open tissue.

One thing though.. Ever read the cover of a bottle? IT says "Use as mouthwash".
Yes.. I tried it. IT leaves a BAD aftertaste and if you leave it in your mouth, it can damage your gums if you have gingivitis or something like that.
But.. in about 10 seconds it does kill a lot of plaque!!

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Old 12-16-2003, 04:07 PM
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Well, if you read up, I had an appointment for an entirely different issue, so I had him look at it. Otherwise I would not have gone just for my finger. See what nobody understands is I have about the greatest immune system ever developed. I eat food that I drop in dirt and have never been a germaphobe. Nothing stands a chance in my body because it's been subjected to about everything. I never even get sick any more. A little skin off the end of my finger isn't going to stop me.

The point of this thread was just as a warning to be careful. My first serious injury in over 30 years. Just learned that complacency has no place in a work shop.
Old 12-16-2003, 06:09 PM
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The point of this thread was just as a warning to be careful. My first serious injury in over 30 years. Just learned that complacency has no place in a work shop.
Ain't dat da truth!
Old 12-16-2003, 10:55 PM
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I know how it feels myself...I had an unfortunate little accident in the kitchen about 5months ago. Cut the tip of my finger off(actually shaved a good portion of it is more like it). I was stubborn too....my girlfriend was on her way over, and it happened about 5minutes before she arrived(I was cooking dinner, and cutting some fresh watermelon).
Anyways.......the only pain killer I had was a bottle of Tequila....so......I proceeded to have her poor me shots....as she's telling me I should go to emergency room....I thought like caffeen man though....and plus started feeling alot better after about 4shots Tequila. Only it wouldn't quit bleeding. So off we went to ER.
After a little wait(3hrs), I finally got in...they immediately numbed it(the rest of me was very numb already)...and stuck my finger in bedadine solution. After about 15min of that, the nurse carefully scrubbed the whole inside of my injury..raw meat scrub is what it actually was at that point.. With nothing there to stitch too, the only thing they could do was wrap in gauze, and secure it.. and told me not to touch it for 24-36hrs... OH.....also.....forgot the "tetnus" shot too, if you haven't had one in 10yrs cafeenman...you should look into it for sure.
I soaked it after 24hrs to remove and replace the wrap in peroxide. Did that for about 2 days,, then went to Neosporin.... also after about 4days......I left the wrap off for short periods, so it would get air, and dry out... As time went on(5-6days), I'd leave the wrap off for longer periods, then I went to a finger-tip bandage... About then I felt normal, and a productive member of society again, and could reasonably type and work.
I'm a printer, and have magnifiers at work..so I'd check it every day, and watch how much new skin had grown, and how the scab got smaller... Don't take it lightly though...those are serious cuts man....
Oh and one more thing.......the Doc told me about alchohol..and how it kills pain,,,,but increases blood flow.....I'd do Tequila again though....it definately killed the pain.... the novacaine for numbing does however decrease bleeding quite a bit... Just my 2cents here..
Give that thing some air,,,let it dry out.....and no more peroxide....you don't want to keep disolving your scabs your trying to grow...Air and Neo...and good wraps...and then fingertip bandages for everyday stuff. Hang in there dude.
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Well, this is what I built one-handed in the past two days. It was the leading edge for the elevator that was getting cut along with my fingers. Once I had my finger wrapped, I turned the saw back on and finished the part and then glued it all together. Have to finish shaping one tip, then cut it apart. Already hinged it.

Not bad for one-handed huh?
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A shot of peroxide and a little super glue is the trick. Used it a few times myself. But I don't know about table saw injuries. Might need to see a doc dude.

That will sure slow your typing down a bit huh?
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That looks awsome CM! I will have to post some of my huge edge I am building left handed. Hope the darn thing flys straight! It looks good so far
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ORIGINAL: BasinBum

The egg remedy sounds a bit zaney, can you say seminella? As long as we are talking first aid if you ever get a small cut don't stick your finger in your mouth. The bacteria in your mouth isn't what you want to get in a cut, good cause of infection. Next time to stop the bleeding direct pressure on the wound, elevate above your heart, and apply pressure to the major artery (on your arm that would be below the bicep on the inside a few inches down from your armpit).

Cafeen dude, you never said exactly how it happened. Did you reach over the blade to pull the piece thru? When it kicks back it takes the fingers through the blade, very common table saw mistake. Or did you have the blade up too high and it came through the piece? I always say never crank up more blade than the amount of finger you want to cut off.

This would be a good place to pass on what you did wrong so others might not make the same mistake.
Ok, first response was to stare dumbfounded at my hand and try to fiure out what happened. Next response was to realize I had a cut that was bleeding badly, so move away from saw and wood so that blood drips all over floor.

Next, get clean washcloth (no fingers in mouth) and wet with warm water. Next, rifle through first aid kit and find appropriate bandages. Didn't have anything that was the right size, so criss-crossed 2 regular bandaid strips over the worst finger. Blood still gushing, so fold up paper towel, wrap with masking tape and hope for the best.

Now clean up blood trail though shop and house with a sponge. Next - finish work before blood starts seeping through paper towel. Still had some blood to sand off, but not bad.

How accident occurred:

Was shaping a leading edge that is angled on 3 sides. It would not stay flat on the table saw which was causing mis-cuts. So reached behind to hold it down. Was working fine, but saw grabbed wood and pulled it with my fingers through the saw. I was not being careless, but I have to do this same thing often enough. I need something that holds pieces down AND against the fence AFTER they go through the saw. Fingers just aren't cutting it.
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Old 12-18-2003, 01:49 AM
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Well I think I mentioned that one as a common mistake. Not a matter of losing concentration just something that you are never supposed to do on a table saw. Make yourself a push stick so you don't have to hold the work from behind the blade. Here is an idea of what I am talking about. [link=http://www.woodworkingtips.com/woodtips/wstip12.html]PUSH STICK[/link]
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BasinBum - Yes, I agree that it is not a safe practice - far from it. I do use push sticks and have several of them. The problem is that the work bows toward the blade as it exits and ends up with deep cuts in it which ruin the work. It would be a lot easier to explain with a picture. What I need is some sort of universal fixture that holds the work down and against the fence after the work exits.

A push-stick does this well when the piece is short, but for longer pieces I can't even use the pushstick until the work is at least over the table. Hard to explain, but a picture would show the problem clearly.
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I think your picture explained it very clearly, at least about the need for a fixture instead of your fingers.
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I think your picture explained it very clearly, at least about the need for a fixture instead of your fingers.
Yeah... I think you're right.
Old 12-18-2003, 10:18 AM
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An 18" long piece of 3/4" dowel rod....with a nail set into the
end of it and sharpened can be used to reach over the blade
and hold those thin pieces of stock from curving, and being
re-cut by the backside of the blade.
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ORIGINAL: CafeenMan

What I need is some sort of universal fixture that holds the work down and against the fence after the work exits.
How about some of these? I have used them and they work pretty good.

1-888-288-2487
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Good Luck guys! I had a tip of a 2 1/2" drywall screw break off one time and the phillips bit on my DeWalt went through the tip of my left pinky finger. Talk about pain, and the whole time my boss was laughing. It was only later that I realized it went in one side and out under and beside my finger nail. It still has a little scar, but man did it hurt.

Cafeen, I like your last phrase, "Fingers just aren't cutting it", literally!
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MOTHER OF GOD!!! DO NOT PUT ANY PART OF A RAW EGG ANYWHERE NEAR AN OPEN WOUND!!!!

The inside is NOT sterile once you crack it!!!

After 9/11/01, the airline pilot thing went to hell in a handbasket so I became a RN, and now I work in the Emergency dept of a large Hospital (make more money too), anywho-Present on the surface of EVERY egg is Salmonella. I can assure you that you DO NOT want Salmonella to have access to your blood stream. Betadyne and some Dermabond if the wound is well approximated-if not, Suture time.

Guys PLEASE BE CAREFUL IN THE SHOP AND ON THE FLIGHT-LINE, Take that extra second to make sure that you build and fly safely!


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