zeen420

Well then... Himoto is grate... Dont bash untill you try, Take all these misconceptions and stories about "cheap knock offs" and KEEP THEM TO YOURSELF, HPI,LOSI, Traxxas ALL had to start somewhere.. So get over it.

twomanytoys

So you say you get what you pay for huh. What about the TTr St1. Maybe the toughest undereated truggy you can get for under $300 and its not a so called cheap chinese knock off. So if TTR can put that kind of quality in thier truggy and still keep the price down then why cant Himoto do the same thing. I have owned a few redcats and they have been very durable. Why cant people just give these companies a chance to see whats going to happen within the next few years. traxxas started out the same way and now they are the largest rc manufacture in the world but they are NOT the most reliable trucks but people still seem to buy them even now when they are so overpriced. Back when the T maxx came out they cost just over $200.00. Now they cost over 400.00. You can get a Savage with much better quality for under 400.00 and we all know the savage is the basher of all bashers. Everything now days is pretty much made in China. Look at Walmart. They are now a Chinese based company but we all still seem to go there. So anyone that says that these are cheap chinese rip offs and that the are junk are hypocrites.

ranger4x4

very well said twomany. plus i'm sure all of the electronics in traxxas and hpi, and losi all come from china and japan as well.

SAVAGEJIM

That is such a hard thing to say to ranger4X4, who just said and agrees with your opinion 100%

As for misconceptions, I believe RCU is trying its best to discourage the posting of wrongful information, but bear in mind that RC fans are entitled their opinions and I believe RCU actually encourages fans to express their knowledge, experiences, sucesses, and problems with RCs. What can be construed as misconceptions from one poster just might be his personal experience. Just keep you radar up so you can read through the BS and see the truth. That also means dont be biased by your own brand loyalties. For example, I am primarily an HPI fan, and there are many HPI fans who "duke it out" with Traxxas fans. But I also admire many Traxxas products and have used many Traxxass parts on some of my HPI vehicles.

ranger4x4

i never said anything bad about hpi traxxas or any other brand in anyway at all. i completely agree with you savagejim. but they are also bashing what they call chinese knockoffs, i was merely saying that bashing anything that comes from a different country isn't always the truth. other companies like samsung or motorola or whatever. whats next are they gonna start saying that anything from canada is garbage too? how about from europe? where does it end? i don't bash any product or manufacturerwhats the point to it? i was simply applying their line of thinking to every product made. whats the difference? i don't see the point to it at all.

zeen420

That was not directed at Ranger

ranger4x4

i know zeen i was just stating my opinion and completely agree

SAVAGEJIM

As for brand bias, though I used two name brand examples (HPI & Traxxas), I was just trying to express that brand fanaticism and bias ocurs even between the big name brand fans. This bias aslo exsist between Traxxas vs Redcat fans or HPI vs Himoto fans. Or Smartech Magic Wheel vs Traxxas T-Maxx, or any other combination.

Personally, as for RC's I prefer OS engines (Japan) or Rossis (Itallian) due to better quality and better customer serverice, even from the distributors. Dont get me wrong, I have used the chinese engines (my Savages came with the chinese Kingstar-Nitrostar, I also have used several STS engines, I also have a pair of Axial engines, also chinese made), and they have run okay at the moment, and the STS engines even perform better than the stock RTR engines. But from my personal experiences, the materials quality of these engines just do not meet up to the Japanese OS and Italian Rossis. For example, as powereful as the STS engines may be, the metallugy and production quality of these engines are terrible. The STS carbs leak air like nobody's business, even if you seal the engine (actually some STS carbs are absolute lemons, no matter how much RTV you throw at that engine, it will still run away from massive air leaks from very poor production quality controls). I have had to call STS to demand a propely machined carb be sent to me (this was a hasel in stself, I had to send several e-mails and make several phone calls and when the new carb was sent, it took several weeks to reach me). My Axials are okay, but they are finicky to tune due to lax quality controls as well, though not as bad as STS. I have had a friend who has had the very same Axial engines as mine and it did exhibit massive carb air leaks like the STS did. There is also a fellow RCU member who had problems with this very same engine, we didnt beleive him and we demanded he post several vids of this engine burning up. He did post vids, many of them in fact, and even his tuning settings. He shot vids of his engine running away under different settings (plugs, fuels, outsuide running conditions) to support that it is the engine, not his tuning or other conditions that are at fault. This is what I mean by inferior products.

As for foreign products, Isuzu, I have faith in, it is built to Japanese poduction standards, and these are very strict. For example, Japanese OS will have tighter tolerances and matrials standards. Though the OS ABL nickle sleves may leave some to be desired when compared to chrome, those engiens can be rebuilt several times more than their chinese countaparts before the block is useless. Motorola? The fab plant for those chips are in Texas. Motorola chips go into all sorts of products including many cell phones, Mac computers, etc. As for American RC engines, I just wish there were a reputable one that is actually made in the US. If there were, I would buy it.

Nitro-4 Tec 3.3

just a quick question, is internet rc a nock-off ??

SAVAGEJIM

It was not wise to bring up this thread again, too many people have bee angered in this thread and other like it. Besides, you already know where the Himoto and Redcat forums are, and they can help with with everythinng that are HSP and even Himoto's new MegaP RCs.

I therefore ask the mods and admin to lock and delete this thread.

Nitro-4 Tec 3.3

ok sorry[sm=red_smile.gif]

kuppler

Savagejim i 2nd that. this kind of thread Brings out the worst in people.. LOL....

Anomie

Good point, and I also believe that is the best course of action.