When's the 12X replacement coming?
12-02-2011, 12:42 PM
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I was a loyal JR customer for thirty years and fell in love with my two JR 10SX & 10X transmitters and when the time came to buy a newer radio with more channels and the JR 12X didn't come out with a touch screen that is when I moved over to a Futaba 14MZ.
A BIG learing curve trying to program this beast...but after much work and a instruction book from Futaba that is crap, I did master it. And no thanks to the Futaba call-in line as their personal helpers are worthless compared to calling in to Horizon who might not know the answer to your programing problem but would at leat get back to you with some help.
I still use some of JR's switches and stuff which I think are still the best. All that kind stuff that came with my new $2000+ 14MZ went in the trash.
A BIG learing curve trying to program this beast...but after much work and a instruction book from Futaba that is crap, I did master it. And no thanks to the Futaba call-in line as their personal helpers are worthless compared to calling in to Horizon who might not know the answer to your programing problem but would at leat get back to you with some help.
I still use some of JR's switches and stuff which I think are still the best. All that kind stuff that came with my new $2000+ 14MZ went in the trash.
12-02-2011, 12:58 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: Dr Honda
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I think the 12x and even the 9503 is fine. I don't look at the radio while I'm flying... and the less expensive radio's work just as good as the expensive one's. To me... all I need is enough channels to make the model work. Why do we always need upgrades? Don't get me wrong... I'm a tech junky... but for a model radio... I don't see the need for it to be $3,000 because the model will fly the same as if it had a $500 radio.
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I think the 12x and even the 9503 is fine. I don't look at the radio while I'm flying... and the less expensive radio's work just as good as the expensive one's. To me... all I need is enough channels to make the model work. Why do we always need upgrades? Don't get me wrong... I'm a tech junky... but for a model radio... I don't see the need for it to be $3,000 because the model will fly the same as if it had a $500 radio.
In my view these ultra high end radios are not worth the bucks and are bought more as a status symbol I think
12-02-2011, 02:00 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
Just curious ... why no mention of the 11X? I realize that that it's styling is a bit ah ... controversial, but the ergonomics are really good, and it's modern, with a bigger backlit screen. Full switch assignability, throttle stick timers and servo matching. Not a high end radio but it seems like a very competitive mid range radio.
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12-02-2011, 02:22 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
I have a JR10x and have had it since new some 8 years, on 35mhz it was bullet proof and still is for my gliders ;-) When I started the jets I went to the 10CG as apposed to the DSX9/12. I couldnt see me needing more than the 10/14 channels as I like the stand off well used scale jets so as far as lights and opening canopies etc go im not interested ... I chose the futaba 2.4 over the JR/Spectrum equivalent due to the 2.4 technology over the nice JR programming and bling etc, as at the time many flyers were trashing the JR/Spectrum technolgy brown outs etc etc.
Ive been using my 10 cg over the past season or so and now I have a handle on the programming and the reversed expo etc I like it and feel totally assured when I fly with it ...
I remember seeing the youtube vids of 2.4ghz spread spektrum that showed how the two channels operate and how they can become swamped by devices such as high powered Access Points, it was the comparison with the futabas channel hopping of the entire band that one me to be honest - I dont know what the 12 is like so I cant comment but if JR are still employed the same 2.4 technolgy as they did with the dsx9 I would rather have an 8FG and the comfort in the technology tbh.
I dont know a single flyer to loose a model on the futaba 2.4 equipment. (I have a Boomerang on a JR921 flying off a DX7 and its been fine for 100's of flight, but buying anything new for me with be futaba)
My opinion only of course.
Scott.
Ive been using my 10 cg over the past season or so and now I have a handle on the programming and the reversed expo etc I like it and feel totally assured when I fly with it ...
I remember seeing the youtube vids of 2.4ghz spread spektrum that showed how the two channels operate and how they can become swamped by devices such as high powered Access Points, it was the comparison with the futabas channel hopping of the entire band that one me to be honest - I dont know what the 12 is like so I cant comment but if JR are still employed the same 2.4 technolgy as they did with the dsx9 I would rather have an 8FG and the comfort in the technology tbh.
I dont know a single flyer to loose a model on the futaba 2.4 equipment. (I have a Boomerang on a JR921 flying off a DX7 and its been fine for 100's of flight, but buying anything new for me with be futaba)
My opinion only of course.
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12-02-2011, 03:05 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: dubd
It's been years since the 12X has come out and soon the Futaba 18MZ is will be out. What is JR's response? As much as I've like my 12X, it was outdated when it came out. It was basically a 10X with a 9303 UI. Anyone hear about it's replacement??? Years ago we heard about the 16X, but now, nothing... Is it too much to ask for upgradable firmware, lithion-ion batteries, touch screen, sd card, telemetry and a modern UI??
Anyone know if JR is working on anything new??? Seems like Futaba is innovating and JR is... well stagnate.
It's been years since the 12X has come out and soon the Futaba 18MZ is will be out. What is JR's response? As much as I've like my 12X, it was outdated when it came out. It was basically a 10X with a 9303 UI. Anyone hear about it's replacement??? Years ago we heard about the 16X, but now, nothing... Is it too much to ask for upgradable firmware, lithion-ion batteries, touch screen, sd card, telemetry and a modern UI??
Anyone know if JR is working on anything new??? Seems like Futaba is innovating and JR is... well stagnate.
Formula 1 anyone??
I am waiting for my 18mz back ordered..
Will be here at the end of the month!
12-02-2011, 03:26 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: gsmarino2000
Just curious ... why no mention of the 11X? I realize that that it's styling is a bit ah ... controversial, but the ergonomics are really good, and it's modern, with a bigger backlit screen. Full switch assignability, throttle stick timers and servo matching. Not a high end radio but it seems like a very competitive mid range radio.
Greg
Just curious ... why no mention of the 11X? I realize that that it's styling is a bit ah ... controversial, but the ergonomics are really good, and it's modern, with a bigger backlit screen. Full switch assignability, throttle stick timers and servo matching. Not a high end radio but it seems like a very competitive mid range radio.
Greg
12-02-2011, 03:28 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
Very true indeed and well said
In my view these ultra high end radios are not worth the bucks and are bought more as a status symbol I think
ORIGINAL: Dr Honda
IDK.....
I think the 12x and even the 9503 is fine. I don't look at the radio while I'm flying... and the less expensive radio's work just as good as the expensive one's. To me... all I need is enough channels to make the model work. Why do we always need upgrades? Don't get me wrong... I'm a tech junky... but for a model radio... I don't see the need for it to be $3,000 because the model will fly the same as if it had a $500 radio.
IDK.....
I think the 12x and even the 9503 is fine. I don't look at the radio while I'm flying... and the less expensive radio's work just as good as the expensive one's. To me... all I need is enough channels to make the model work. Why do we always need upgrades? Don't get me wrong... I'm a tech junky... but for a model radio... I don't see the need for it to be $3,000 because the model will fly the same as if it had a $500 radio.
In my view these ultra high end radios are not worth the bucks and are bought more as a status symbol I think
couple 200-300$ more if you would like to fly the DF jet more that once a day before you have to recharge it...
In Reality price that gets you up and flying...
2000$ for a .32 size plane including the radio and support equipment??/ hmmm...
I payed 2600$ for my 18mz.... ..... and will be flying Gas flybarless heli's and giant scale aerobatic aircraft...and giant scale warbirds....
which easily take upwards of 14-16channels....on some of them...
Not 2000$ foamy size ducted fans.... so perhaps I have a dif perscpective on what I need??
12-02-2011, 03:32 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: kochj
Same could be said about a small Habu 32 DF jet that costs upwards of 1,500 to get up and running with a very limited 6-channel radio...
couple 200-300$ more if you would like to fly the DF jet more that once a day before you have to recharge it...
In Reality price that gets you up and flying...
2000$ for a .32 size plane including the radio and support equipment??/ hmmm...
I payed 2600$ for my 18mz.... .....
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
Very true indeed and well said
In my view these ultra high end radios are not worth the bucks and are bought more as a status symbol I think
ORIGINAL: Dr Honda
IDK.....
I think the 12x and even the 9503 is fine. I don't look at the radio while I'm flying... and the less expensive radio's work just as good as the expensive one's. To me... all I need is enough channels to make the model work. Why do we always need upgrades? Don't get me wrong... I'm a tech junky... but for a model radio... I don't see the need for it to be $3,000 because the model will fly the same as if it had a $500 radio.
IDK.....
I think the 12x and even the 9503 is fine. I don't look at the radio while I'm flying... and the less expensive radio's work just as good as the expensive one's. To me... all I need is enough channels to make the model work. Why do we always need upgrades? Don't get me wrong... I'm a tech junky... but for a model radio... I don't see the need for it to be $3,000 because the model will fly the same as if it had a $500 radio.
In my view these ultra high end radios are not worth the bucks and are bought more as a status symbol I think
couple 200-300$ more if you would like to fly the DF jet more that once a day before you have to recharge it...
In Reality price that gets you up and flying...
2000$ for a .32 size plane including the radio and support equipment??/ hmmm...
I payed 2600$ for my 18mz.... .....
12-02-2011, 03:40 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
It isn't for everyone.... no need to debate that...?? why??
Nice thing about it is that if I crash any of the planes.... my radio is still hear...
Can the same be said about your very exspensive lawn dart (Habu 32 )
Like the saying goes.... Don't race a car unless you can afford to drive it off a cliff!!!!....
Same can be said about any of rc planes....ect...
Anyone that flys rc planes, heli's ect and spends over 1000$ on ANYTHING................MENTAL......
Get over it ,... or you had better get out!!!
Nice thing about it is that if I crash any of the planes.... my radio is still hear...
Can the same be said about your very exspensive lawn dart (Habu 32 )
Like the saying goes.... Don't race a car unless you can afford to drive it off a cliff!!!!....
Same can be said about any of rc planes....ect...
Anyone that flys rc planes, heli's ect and spends over 1000$ on ANYTHING................MENTAL......
Get over it ,... or you had better get out!!!
12-02-2011, 06:58 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: lov2flyrc
Curious,
For those that are flying futaba, are you using futaba servos or JR??
Curious,
For those that are flying futaba, are you using futaba servos or JR??
12-02-2011, 07:09 PM
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For those willing to spend the bucks, I hope you don't have the temperament of a friend of mine. After he lost a large scratch built Waco due to radio failure, he decided to finish it off and promptly slammed the transmitter into the ground while muttering a few choice words. Luckily it wasn't a $3,000 Futaba, but if it had been... I dare say as pissed as he was, he would have done the same.
12-02-2011, 09:03 PM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
Lol.......same debate over radios still exist that i would read 15 years ago......after 10 years of flying jets and other types of planes they still make it to the ground........some better than others lol.
Lol a $3000 futaba radio.......musta gotten some of that bailout money!
Lol a $3000 futaba radio.......musta gotten some of that bailout money!
12-03-2011, 04:40 AM
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Hi Todd,
I have been using all JR servos but the local price of Futaba ones has really come down. Now I can get a 30kg futaba servo that is quicker than the 8411 for around $150. If I am using futaba in future I will probably start using some of their servos too, especially if I operate on sbus.
Don't know if that info is useful for you or not but thought I would offer it up.
Craig.
I have been using all JR servos but the local price of Futaba ones has really come down. Now I can get a 30kg futaba servo that is quicker than the 8411 for around $150. If I am using futaba in future I will probably start using some of their servos too, especially if I operate on sbus.
Don't know if that info is useful for you or not but thought I would offer it up.
Craig.
12-03-2011, 04:53 AM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
ORIGINAL: bigplumbs
$2600 for a radio .................... Mental price
$2600 for a radio .................... Mental price
You often mention you have over 100 models RTF including about 6 turbines models - now go add that lot up! With that result, how you can question $2600 for a radio that will fly ALL of your 120 odd models is beyond me. If you owned any models that needed 14-16 channels as some of mine do then you would have a different outlook. You shouldn't go round saying things are mental/not needed/status symbols just because it's not what you need. I welcome it with open arms. Maybe I should say P20s, EDFs and the models you fly are not needed/mental etc just because I'm not in that area of the hobby
Each to their own. I am sure you will come back with the standard defence of "it's my opinion, if you don't like it don't read it" etc but maybe, just once, you can add your opinions to threads that are relevant to you.
Anyway, I am sure JR must have something planned. If not, then they only have themselves to blame if/when they lose the high end market.
12-03-2011, 05:44 AM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
11x is nice and comfortable, and the fully assignable switches handy, but there are no names or lables to remind you of what you have assigned them to! great if you only have 1 or 2 models and setup exactly the same....
And the analogue trim [:@][:'(][:'(] What a dumb Idea! talk about going backwards....
The XG8 looks good but I need more channels than what my 9xII currently has so I'm still waiting to see what JR releases.
Thanks
Dave
P.S. Todd, flying with Hi-tec servos.
And the analogue trim [:@][:'(][:'(] What a dumb Idea! talk about going backwards....
The XG8 looks good but I need more channels than what my 9xII currently has so I'm still waiting to see what JR releases.
Thanks
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P.S. Todd, flying with Hi-tec servos.
12-03-2011, 06:07 AM
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RE: When's the 12X replacement coming?
My 12x has done well but I could use a few more channels as I like to setup every servo on a separate channel and mix. I have a DX 8 for my electric jets and I use the telemetry. I have looked at the screen and I have my spotter look at it usually. The programming while good lacks some of the features that the 12x has like different servo slows on each direction of the servo travel, not something used all the time but something I used on a particular model as a simple gear door sequencer. JR or Spektrum I am sure are listening the high end Futaba radios are starting to get my attention.
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12-03-2011, 06:43 AM
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if JR has something good in the pipes, it would be wise to let us in on it now before too many guys jump ship, cause once jumped, I won't be going back. This makes me think they don't have anything. Remember 10X had a 10year run before 12X came out. 12X was announced and shown almost 2 years before it was available so, what does that tell you about whats in the pipes?
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