Initial tuning to truggy
02-21-2013, 07:40 AM
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RE: Initial tuning to truggy
ORIGINAL: supertib
Your wrong there cowboy....talk me in a few years once you have more experience with racing and setup.....
on my track too much droop causes the cars to handle unpredictablly, usually makes them push like slowplows in the corners, which definitely hurts your racing results.....nly have hundreds of hours of chassis testing under my belt on my own personal track..with multiple cars from Kyosho to Serpent, Hot Bodies and Mugen, with my own Tea, of drivers.... but whatever, believe what you want, you know best LOL !
I would almost pay money to have you come race up here....just to see where your skills really are
ORIGINAL: Foxy
Doesn't matter how grippy your track is, the only negative effect of more droop is slightly reduced corner speed and more squat, which are hardly going to cost you a race, whereas too little droop will cause the car to be all over the place. Anyway, I'm bored saying the same things, lets just agree to disagree.
ORIGINAL: supertib
too much droop has plenty of negative effects LOL......but what do I know about this offroad racing stuff
However it also may be that you dont run on a track as nice as ours here......I mean if your running on some crappy low grip rough track then max droop needs to be used............But on my track which is very smooth and extremely grippy too much droops makes the cars handle very unpredictably for everyone, pro's and novice alike.........
ORIGINAL: Foxy
Neal, you do realize that the average Joe has about the same relationship with a team driver as a fish does with a bicycle? Telling average people to run almost no droop is not the best advice, imo. The most common setup mistake I see in 1/8th buggy and truggy is people having problems keeping the back end planted due to not enough rear droop (they build the kit, set the ride height, then screw in the droop screws to meet the chassis with the wheels on the ground, aka zero droop). I can agree to disagree anyway.
If I were a world champion team driver, there would be a hundred setup changes I could make to the car that would be good for me but detrimental to someone else who did not also possess world class skills. Suffice it to say I will continue setting up my cars with a little extra droop and recommending the same to others for the initial reason I stated, too little droop makes the car unpredictable, too much has no major detrimental effect.
Neal, you do realize that the average Joe has about the same relationship with a team driver as a fish does with a bicycle? Telling average people to run almost no droop is not the best advice, imo. The most common setup mistake I see in 1/8th buggy and truggy is people having problems keeping the back end planted due to not enough rear droop (they build the kit, set the ride height, then screw in the droop screws to meet the chassis with the wheels on the ground, aka zero droop). I can agree to disagree anyway.
If I were a world champion team driver, there would be a hundred setup changes I could make to the car that would be good for me but detrimental to someone else who did not also possess world class skills. Suffice it to say I will continue setting up my cars with a little extra droop and recommending the same to others for the initial reason I stated, too little droop makes the car unpredictable, too much has no major detrimental effect.
too much droop has plenty of negative effects LOL......but what do I know about this offroad racing stuff
However it also may be that you dont run on a track as nice as ours here......I mean if your running on some crappy low grip rough track then max droop needs to be used............But on my track which is very smooth and extremely grippy too much droops makes the cars handle very unpredictably for everyone, pro's and novice alike.........
Your wrong there cowboy....talk me in a few years once you have more experience with racing and setup.....
on my track too much droop causes the cars to handle unpredictablly, usually makes them push like slowplows in the corners, which definitely hurts your racing results.....nly have hundreds of hours of chassis testing under my belt on my own personal track..with multiple cars from Kyosho to Serpent, Hot Bodies and Mugen, with my own Tea, of drivers.... but whatever, believe what you want, you know best LOL !
I would almost pay money to have you come race up here....just to see where your skills really are
02-21-2013, 08:31 AM
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RE: Initial tuning to truggy
ORIGINAL: supertib
Your wrong there cowboy....talk me in a few years once you have more experience with racing and setup.....
on my track too much droop causes the cars to handle unpredictablly, usually makes them push like slowplows in the corners, which definitely hurts your racing results.....nly have hundreds of hours of chassis testing under my belt on my own personal track..with multiple cars from Kyosho to Serpent, Hot Bodies and Mugen, with my own Tea, of drivers.... but whatever, believe what you want, you know best LOL ! I would almost pay money to have you come race up here....just to see where your skills really are
Your wrong there cowboy....talk me in a few years once you have more experience with racing and setup.....
on my track too much droop causes the cars to handle unpredictablly, usually makes them push like slowplows in the corners, which definitely hurts your racing results.....nly have hundreds of hours of chassis testing under my belt on my own personal track..with multiple cars from Kyosho to Serpent, Hot Bodies and Mugen, with my own Tea, of drivers.... but whatever, believe what you want, you know best LOL !
I would almost pay money to have you come race up here....just to see where your skills really are
Here's a pic of this years NitroChallenge. It was the first day of practice. The track wasn't blown out. It wasdefinately an offroad track and not some onroad wanabe. Notice the droop.
They got a bit of rain, but should be good weather for the race the rest of the week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caoxU...layer_embedded
02-21-2013, 02:19 PM
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RE: Initial tuning to truggy
So I don't have a droop guage. My question: are they needed? I only ask because my understanding is that it's important to have both the same, but does the unit of measure really matter? Figured I could use my digital calipers to measure (and assume you measure at the wheel axle?)
Finally, upon further inspection, I was running full droop (the hex nut was not even touching the chassis). This is the stock setting the manual suggested, so I went with it. I've raised it some, so we'll see.
Finally, upon further inspection, I was running full droop (the hex nut was not even touching the chassis). This is the stock setting the manual suggested, so I went with it. I've raised it some, so we'll see.
02-22-2013, 07:25 AM
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RE: Initial tuning to truggy
Provided you have 'enough' its not really important how much exactly (at least not at this stage in your racing career). I used to do it by eye on the buggy, but using a hudy setup station with a droop gauge on the NT1. On-road setup is serious business, off road setup is still important, but less so.
02-23-2013, 08:23 PM
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RE: Initial tuning to truggy
At the end of the day John I suggest you go over to RC Tech and ask the guys over there for setup advice...I think you will find the knowledge base over there to be much broader and much more experienced then the few guys over here who are posting .... On RC Tech you can find advice from everyone from World Champions to local club experts......If you want to get accurate and honest unbiased advice about racing and racing rigs RC Tech is the place to be by a long shot.....
