martno1fan

why dont you get blue fishy to fix the ****** hes the one lumbered you with a pile of crap!!.i hope you get something sorted soon garry,maybe you should have a go at building one of these?.sides are 80mm so shes legal and only took me 2 weeks to build and 5 to get her running.she would really move with a zen im sure.

madmodelman

Got to give him a chance Martin as far as BF was concerned the hulls were ok, remember I have two sets of running gear 3 Sikks 2 of which are works engines, it's just a shame I have put so much effort into the 2 boats, they look great (for flowerpots Wayne). While you have been out having fun I've been working frantically on my old Apache with with my bog standard Sikk and a decent prop really flies, I've been using it to run in the engines so I'm sure it will be competitive to start the season off. Thanks for the kind thoughts but one has to be diplomatic, any help I can get I'm gonna grab, I'm sure you appreciate that.

martno1fan

i do simpathise with you mate but just not with him as he chose to buy splashed hulls !!.just a pitty you got lumbered with them.

TIA

Gary what is the green string type thingy on the deck for?

wayneuk01

gary did u write this statement yourself or did the slippery fish do it ..

Our first new Shark Cobra hull is shown below now completed and on the water. We tested at the end of December for the first time in preparation for the 2007 OMRA petrol class racing season.
Power is supplied by O’Neill Brothers new Sikk 27cc engines.
This was a reliability and engine run in session. The brand new Works engine started first time every time, but of course we are only running in at the moment so are not yet “on the plane�
The hull handles nicely but requires some trimming to get things perfect (if ever you can in racing).
Proper trimming cannot be done yet of course until we have bedded in the engine and got maximum power. She throttles nicely for a racing engine (are the engines not stock?) and picks up extremely well

just curiuos to ask hove any members contacted u?
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surely under the trade discription act all hull Purchasers would be intitled to a full refund


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madmodelman

It's called a painter, or lanyard. OMRA rule states a boat over 50" length must have one to assist rescue boat, So they can drag heavy boats in, that's the idea anyway.

madmodelman

Wayne, the website was designed by me as a thank you to Barry for his help this season.
Let's be fair about this, Barry has imported these hulls in all good faith from Vern, and was shocked when I informed him last week that I was not the only one having problems. He is talking to Vern over this weekend.
With all due respect to everyone on this forum I am impressed with a lot of knowledgable guys but not nearly so impressed with the way some Manufacturers and Dealers are treated verbally. Typically from the UK. Our US friends are not nearly so nasty.
They are just trying to make a living the same as the rest of us and as a business owner myself I understand this.
Everyone though is entitled to their opinion and I will leave it at that.
I personally was not sharp enough to realise when building two boats that although I spotted a bow in the hulls that it would have this dramatic effect.
Rather than slag anyone off I am trying to help to find out exactly what has gone wrong and try to find a way round the total situation and problem one way or another.
My personal engine is stock. I have two engines direct from O'Neills not stock.
I shall be working on the website. Everything you quote was written in good faith by me at the time.

wayneuk01

well i actualy rung him yesterday as a (potential customer from e bay ...) he told me the hulls are great and have no issues with hooking its all due to set up and i could ring u to confirm so hes still trying to nock them out even though he no's theres problems..so not much good faith there i must say..I do hope u sort out the issues u have with your boats within the two weeks. (Let's be fair about this) Good point I do wonder what the previous hull buyers will get back in way of refund or compensation for defected products also do u no if barry has contacted them to let them all no or are they going to be kept in the dark & are going to be thinking just like yourself its there set up..

maybe someone else would like to ask him and post the results here

heres a link to the carefuly laid fiberglass boat (or thats what is states in discription)

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/51-COBRA-MAX-G...QQcmdZViewItem

edmkills

"This hull is built by Vern Kilmer in the usa who has a great reputation in building these great looking hulls in these unique colour designs"

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martno1fan

Well said Wayne ive had words with mr fishy blue before about these boats and he doesnt care about anything but money and himself .I say to all customers of his if you have one of these hulls and have the same problems you should all pay him a visit and demand a refund.I pointed out to him over a year ago that these hulls were over priced rip offs of other manufacturers boats and i stand by that statement.He then sent me some very abusive emails on the subject.If he were a genuinely caring sort of a guy he would not lie about the hulls hes selling,these are not designed by vern kilmer these are splashed by vern kilmer.Also he doesnt have a great reputation in the states either he has quite a questionable reputation from what ive read on this forum!!.Looking at the way those boats are handling theyre not worth the price of a can of petrol to give them a viking funeral.

mopartybob

I plan on selling mine to someone i don't like,even as a flowerpot it's still questionable.....[:-]

wayneuk01

madmodelman

Don't bother selling it, I got my first hull up and running today, a tad under 44 mph, still not perfect yet but raceable. PM me and I'll talk you through it. Wayne, I will be ringing Terry.

wayneuk01

so since december u have been trying and today u finaly got going is it still exceptionaly wet and got the nasty steering also is that speed with your race engine or stock? also are they now going to come with instructions how to get round them running like it does in the video ? i would love to see some video ive got the before maybe u could do the honours of the after & show us all what we are missing .Also u say a tad under 44 what was your top speed before? i hope terry gets it sorted so then he can have some fun with it

martno1fan

seems funny it ran like crap and then all of a sudden its now running good.i dont see how if you couldnt get it running after weeks of testing you can suddenly get it running well after one day after some people have said negative things about the boat?.i really hope you have got it running well but i find it hard to beleive.
post edited by myself for been to argumentative .

rickburnout666

this gets more like the jerry springer show ,every post ,
sorry i cant think of any rubbish punch lines ..........mmmmm.....
remember its etc etc [sm=bananahead.gif]

patriktegelberg

I feel Gary is charged a little here and to me he is not the villain. He has two builds to prove he had good faith.
I for one really dislike any commersial boat that is not scratch designed. However inspired it might be from another model, if you have built you own plug from wood or foam its your work. But if ANY part of the original boat is used in the plug it is copying. If what is written in here is true then Vern Kilmer is the villain. Not only does he copy (steal) others work, but he is not competent enough to do it well.

martno1fan

Patrik i agree Gary is not a villain hes a victim here,but your last statement hits the nail right smack bang on the head.Vern Kilmer steals other peoples work !! that even he cannot deny.

wayneuk01

Are u going to post some pics of what u had to do to make your boat better or should i say useable/ raceable? It will be handy for those users in the usa/uk iam sure as it seems like if u dont ask vern he wont tell u the problems with the v hull's or did u sort the problem yourself ? As for barry he would of took my £240 had i of payed him for the goods on sat without mention of the problems in question & if u made him aware of it last week he does no there are /were problems yet would of sold it to me anyway .& further more had u not of been sponsered & got free items would u purchase with one with more hook than abdal hamza?

mopartybob

LMAO,Wayne,now That booger snatcher is hooked !!!, I hope gary has come up with somethin,I think a simple job of sheeting the bottom is all it would take....,as i have yet to start the build on mine,it was left up to gary to find the fix....easier done seein his is runnin...I'm sure we all will soon find out.....[:-]

martno1fan

The point is though that surely the person that sold you these faulty boats should be made to refund your money and or replace the faulty goods ?.Wether they knew or did not know the boats were faulty matters not one bit what does matter is that THEY market them and THEY make a good profit from doing so.I dont want Garry to think im blaming him at all what im saying is the person supplying these boats to him and selling to people on ebay should take them off the market and refund any unhappy customers he may have,then get mr kilmer to replace all his faulty stock for good stock.I doubt thats possible though as hes obviously using faulty moulds to knock out these knock offs in the first place.Lets hope these sellers will do the right thing and not let some other poor mug waste his money.

wayneuk01

I would not be happy sheeting the bottom of the boat after spending £240 on it

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martno1fan

i wonder if mr bluefishy would like to comment on this thread as i know he reads em!!

madmodelman

Right, lets clear a few things up here. My home pc kept switching itself off last night so I could not write a long post. What concerns me most is that obviously some subscribers do not believe a word I say, this disappoints and annoys me.
First, I did not get photos/vids as my lake is empty and I had to go to Kingsbury, no.1 priority was to sort the boat. Secondly as mentioned I have had no water over the winter (until end of April) and have only tested the boat once.
The transom on this hull is sloped back from deck to keel so naturally everything hangs down. After the first run I modified the stern drive (to bring the drive angle up more) and lifted the trim tabs up as far as possible. They are s/steel and will only go up so far, as it turns out not far enough.
I simply removed the tabs and off she went. From a tickover start to full throttle she leapt straight onto the plane, rather impressively I was told. Regarding handling she tracked dead straight turned right ok but did not like turning left on full bore. Easing back on the throttle she turns left ok. I put this down to engine/prop torque, some other hulls also handle like this, it's also worth noting that this engine is obviously not yet run in.
On my second hull, I had already, after talking to Waynes friend already fitted Aeromarine tabs which can be raised higher. I will hopefully be trying this out next Sunday.
In my opinion some of you have been more than harsh on this thread, it would be nice if you could tone it down a little.
Gary.
p.s. Wayne, Terry is testing his on Tuesday.

martno1fan

are you saying it was just the angle of the hardware then Garry?,im sorry you feel we are been harsh its not aimed at you.i for one dont like the idea of someone paying a lot of money to end up disapointed thats all.i still wouldnt buy a splashed hull for that reason!!.