motrcyclryan

well, i glad ya did Mart. I learned alot from your thread and some others with mono hulls. And it also gave me more of an understanding of what parts go where and what they do. my knowledge of this got a great jump start from "what is that? and whats it do?" to understanding what most of this stuff is for. i've been lookin up as much literature as possible readin up on what ever i can find, and just takin some time to look at the parts has givin me quite an understanding. i'm just hoping it still makes sense when i finally start the build. Im defiantely looking forward to checkin out the local club -probably in the spring, when the boats done ( or close to it) when they start up again. i've got a parts list narrowed down, just have to aqquire everything..lol. I'll keep up with the build to keep ya folks involved as im sure i'll need the help.

motrcyclryan

ok, so i got another one... cant decide on a rudder system. im seein the 5" with water pickups, the extended rudder , the inline, and the dual set up. which one of these do i want to go with? i can understand the regular 5" , and the dual set up. the inline i would guess wouldnt work all that great because of propwash, and i dont get the point of the extended set up. what do you guys recomend?

motrcyclryan

still contemplating which rudder type to go with, but now i a wondering about the drive. what is better... a stinger type drive or a strut type.

Ron Olson

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Joe usually sets his boats up using Aeromarine hardware but if you want to go with a stinger, go for it. I'm waiting for my stinger strut to show up now. For a lot of people, it's personal preference.

How'd it go yesterday at the F&S pond?

motrcyclryan

ok. i just wasnt sure which was better or if one wouldnt work on my boat. as for the race yesterday, i couldnt make it. wish i could have being it was the last race. Had family functions on the ol' lady's side. ( you know i loved that) had some laughs though. challenged her dad and granfather to a race in the spring. they both laughed at me lol. her granpa runs a Baja 38special with twin 454 h.o's and her dad runs a 32' sunsation with twin 496 h.o's. i figure i can beat em for the 4-6 seconds it takes for them to plane out. once they do its over. as we've had them both at 100mph or better. ( in 4ft waves ) lol

martno1fan

as ron says they will all work just chosoe the one you like ,personally i like the simple strut setup(cheaper )a strut or a stinger would give better speed than the inline setup.when you say extended rudder do you mean longer as in 6"? or is the extension on the bracket as in a standoff?.basically you need standoff brackets for your strut and rudder to put them further away from the boat 4 " is a good starting point.put the rudder blades leading edge either just level with the prop or a bit further back if you can,that said ive run with my rudder not as far back as the prop and had no problems.heres a pic of my new boats setup,i didnt use a standoff instead i used a block of hardwood to set the strut and rudder out some.

motrcyclryan

yea, the extended one i was talking about is one i seen that sets the rudder about 5-6" or so off the transom, past the prop vs. the one that seems to be just about flush or maybe a little further back with the prop. im puttin up a fight on ebay for a marine specialties dual rudder/strut drive. hopefully i'll win. just wasnt sure about the strut vs. stinger. didnt know if there were any disadvantages to them. I've got all my building supplies together and set up a nice work space. so hopefully the hull kit gets here soon, so i can start the build. I'm pretty sure im hooked..lol. as its all i've been thinking about for a few weeks now.

Ron Olson

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Hopefully you'll lose out on the bidding as the Marine Specialties hardware is awful. I've seen where one owner actually destroyed his instead of selling it to some poor unsuspecting soul, true story. It's really heay, even for a gas boat.
Ever wonder why you see some things up for auction on eBay? I'd rather see you hang some good hardware on the rear of your boat. Hopefully you can thank me next year when you whip my butt at the races!

motrcyclryan

well crap! now I'M hopin i lose. figured it was a good deal. get the strut and rudder together and save some money. from now on, im asking questions about anything i bid on. i got another bid goin on a JR xr2i 2 channel radio and reciever. is that any good or is it garbage?

Ron Olson

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AM radio, not what you want in a gas boat but otherwise not a bad radio for nitro or electric. I have one that I ran in my Speedmaster 21 until the engine sneezed a few weeks ago.
There was a JR XR-3 in there which is an older radio system but not bad as I have one of those. For a 3-channel radio it makes a nice 2-channel as the 3rd channel is terrible though for boaters.
You can pick up a Hi-tec Aggressor FM radio for about what you'd pay for the XR-2i new.

martno1fan

hi mate try this place for good quality cheap hardware,i got a nice strut from them and its really nice quality and i also got a great cheap ali prop which is highly polished and sharpened and the balance wasnt far off either.a cpl of guys i know run these ali props on full moded zens and sikk motors so they are strong enough despite what some might think of ali props.one thing about them is they are very lite also.but wether you get one or not def try the hardware its really nice.a lot of its octura although they dont allways say so.they also have a nice looking stinger drive on there too check them out.the strut i got was better than some big name brands ive seen also and the finnish on them is fantastic as they come very well polished.Just stear away from the blue anodised dual rudder package as its probably the same cheap type youre bidding on .if your not sure just ask which ones and ill be happy to help.im more than happy with the stuff i got from them.
[link]http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Head-of-the-River-RC-specialist[/link]

blizard05

I,set my Easy Vee up using top secret hardware.Stinger,extended rudder,and trim tabs. Larry B

motrcyclryan

well... that put a damper on my excitement...lol. im not biddig on anything else untill i get the go ahead on here. If i had my way, id buy every thing new from top secret or aero marine like suggested. but im just try to keep costs down. got a baby on the way so i cant get as committed as id like to. as for the dual rudder and radio. i hopin i dont win, but if i do... oh well. it will at least get me started. i can always upgrade later. why isnt A.M. good for boats? im sure this post just screams noob, but i gotta learn somehow...lol. as for an ali prop, im not sure if its the way to go for me, theres usually alot of "crap" in the waters up here. so i think im goin to need the strength of brass. Im basically building this for pleasure over racing, all though if i feel i have the cahonies after checking out a race or two with the local club i might enter a few. im never one to pass up a challange..lol. at least i cant get into trouble with johnny law runnin r/c

Ron Olson

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AM radios are OK for some boats but FM or better is preferred for gas as they don't pick up the interefernce like AM radios do. Some of the electric boaters with brushless motors are now complaining about radio problems.

glennb2006

You're not having much luck are you!!

Aluminium props might actually be good for you, at least when you do hit something they might fail and not break something more valuable. Like the engine or drive. FM is the way forward with radio as Ron said, though Spektrum might be a good investment for you.

Sometimes a good first buy is a completed boat then you get quality gear with it.

Good luck.

Glenn

motrcyclryan

if i could of afforded it i would've went with an rtr set up. but as those types of funds arent available figured id just start from scratch. plus i love building things. im out of projects and this seemed to be something thats goona take care of some free time i always have. and doesnt take up as much room as my cars or bikes in the driveway..lol

motrcyclryan

well im outta the bidding for the radio . still in it for the rudder/drive, but theres still 3 days left. so my chances are high that i'll be out bid yet. Joe said my hull kit is gettin shipped tommarow so with all luck, I'll be building this weekend.

blizard05

READ the instructions,rad them agan,outline important parts,read them agan as you build, Larry B

motrcyclryan

thanks larry. I downloaded hte instructions last week and have read them at least once a day. I've made notes about the stuff i wasnt clear about, and got most of my questions answered. the only thing im not sure of is the drive cable assembly. piecing together info from pics and some diagrams that i couldnt make out too well, i drew up a idea of how it all goes together and what is needed heres a pic of my drawing and let me know if im close.

martno1fan

heres a better pic for yaa but yer not far off no need for the washer between ferrule and strut,make sure you leave 1/4" gap between drive dog and strut hub,use nylock prop nut and put a piece od silicone tubing on the end of the threads if you can as extra insurance .also i think the internal diam of the tube needs to be 5/16"

motrcyclryan

ok. at least i was close. its all starting to make a little more sense now.

Strikar

I learned alot from this site also Ryan.
Alot of helpfull peeps here.
Makes you wonder what we did without the internet just a few years ago lol

glennb2006

There is another system that does not use the stub shaft. The flex cable is welded to the shaft and is one piece. All slides in from the back then is secured at the motor in the flex collet.

No ferrule to fail that way....


Choices.

Glenn

motrcyclryan

i hear ya striker. id be a mess without the net. glen- as far as the ferrule issue goes, i was plannin on gettin the flex cable with the shaft already welded. figured it'd be less hassle. i just drew that out as i am still figuring out how all this stuff goes together.

stuarth

how important is that 1/4 inch gap?
The bonzi setup I have doesent seem to allow for it!

Also what grease can you use for the stuffing tube and flex shaft, I have a teflon loner in mine as well
Stu