I bought a boat... Need info and critics
05-01-2008, 03:01 PM
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ORIGINAL: gofast53
I can speak from experience as I made the mistake of buying one of these some time ago (luckily I got rid of it pretty quickly!). Previous comments stating it can not get on plane are correct, as hull is too heavy, CG is way out and motor is gutless. I tried swapping out motor for a stock zenoah with tuned pipe and changing its CG, but it still struggled to get up on plane and was not very stable at WOT.
Everyone at the pond always commented how ugly it looked especially when running on the water......it looked more like a sick whale!
I can speak from experience as I made the mistake of buying one of these some time ago (luckily I got rid of it pretty quickly!). Previous comments stating it can not get on plane are correct, as hull is too heavy, CG is way out and motor is gutless. I tried swapping out motor for a stock zenoah with tuned pipe and changing its CG, but it still struggled to get up on plane and was not very stable at WOT.
Everyone at the pond always commented how ugly it looked especially when running on the water......it looked more like a sick whale!
I'm just quoting this so I can see it later.
a. won't get on plane
b. CG off
c. not stable at WOT
d. ugly
p.s. You also said it came with a tupper wear box for the radio box.
We'll see how correct you are.
05-01-2008, 07:09 PM
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Not to flame on Mike,but he seems determined to follow his own path,So I think I can say along with the others who posted here ....GOOD LUCK Mike..... [)]
05-01-2008, 11:45 PM
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FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR THAT BOAT, GO GET A NEW MV (249.99) AND WITH THE OTHER HALF OF THE MONEY SLAP A .21 IN IT AND YOU GOT A SWEET BOAT AND STILL SPEND LESS.
05-02-2008, 07:51 AM
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Hey hear I am getting into this post then nothing so what ever happend?
Hey hear I am getting into this post then nothing so what ever happend?
Roughly, 50,000,000 mili-seconds have passed.
05-02-2008, 07:57 AM
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Not to flame on Mike,but he seems determined to follow his own path,So I think I can say along with the others who posted here ....GOOD LUCK Mike..... [)]
Not to flame on Mike,but he seems determined to follow his own path,So I think I can say along with the others who posted here ....GOOD LUCK Mike..... [)]
No offence taken. You're stating your opinion on the subject, which I appreciate.
As for following my own path, well, yes. I'm sorta stuck in it at the moment. (not that i want to return the boat)
I have seen a lot of invalid information in this thread so far. That's why I choose not to pay attention to someone writing about how it can't get on plane, has a tupper ware box for the radio box, conks out on turns, gets laughed at by everyone at the lake (my favorite so far. lol), etc.
05-02-2008, 08:03 AM
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FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR THAT BOAT, GO GET A NEW MV (249.99) AND WITH THE OTHER HALF OF THE MONEY SLAP A .21 IN IT AND YOU GOT A SWEET BOAT AND STILL SPEND LESS.
FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR THAT BOAT, GO GET A NEW MV (249.99) AND WITH THE OTHER HALF OF THE MONEY SLAP A .21 IN IT AND YOU GOT A SWEET BOAT AND STILL SPEND LESS.
If I wanted a .21 nitro, I would have one.
I need a boat that can drive at least 10 miles per fill up.
Plus the fact that I love Castor 927 two stroke oil.
05-02-2008, 08:23 AM
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ORIGINAL: blizard05
I have no input on this boat,all I have to say is Hydros and the ocean are a bad mix. Better off with a Dv
I have no input on this boat,all I have to say is Hydros and the ocean are a bad mix. Better off with a Dv
I'm definetly gona beat the crap out of it. But I take care of my junk too. It'll be in good hands.
I already have a deep V hull. I'm making molds off of it soon. Then I'm gona take that mold and split it, to make a tunnel cat, then make a mold off of that.
05-02-2008, 08:23 AM
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mr. Mike SVOR, you put this post on here to hear what people had to say. so far you havent liked what you have herd and have gotten a little bit of a aditude with everyone. we all try to be friends and help eachother out here at RCU, so lets try to keep it that may bro.
05-02-2008, 09:56 AM
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for the carb the one in it is just a single adlustable jet so you'd be looking for something with about a 12mm venturi and 15mm bore preferably a walbro wa-167, you could keep the clutch on there but it does take a little speed away, here is a good site that has some good info http://www.modelpowerboat.com/Hopping-up_a_RC_Engine
for the carb the one in it is just a single adlustable jet so you'd be looking for something with about a 12mm venturi and 15mm bore preferably a walbro wa-167, you could keep the clutch on there but it does take a little speed away, here is a good site that has some good info http://www.modelpowerboat.com/Hopping-up_a_RC_Engine
Question:
The info on port timing doesn't seem correct to me on that site. He is stating port timing with figures in the 160 degree range. That can't be the roof of the port, and the paragraph is about increasing port timing. No roof degree figures are given.
Does anyone have an updated site that gives port timing figures?
05-05-2008, 09:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: Mike SVOR
No offence taken. You're stating your opinion on the subject, which I appreciate.
As for following my own path, well, yes. I'm sorta stuck in it at the moment. (not that i want to return the boat)
I have seen a lot of invalid information in this thread so far. That's why I choose not to pay attention to someone writing about how it can't get on plane, has a tupper ware box for the radio box, conks out on turns, gets laughed at by everyone at the lake (my favorite so far. lol), etc.
ORIGINAL: mopartybob
Not to flame on Mike,but he seems determined to follow his own path,So I think I can say along with the others who posted here ....GOOD LUCK Mike..... [)]
Not to flame on Mike,but he seems determined to follow his own path,So I think I can say along with the others who posted here ....GOOD LUCK Mike..... [)]
No offence taken. You're stating your opinion on the subject, which I appreciate.
As for following my own path, well, yes. I'm sorta stuck in it at the moment. (not that i want to return the boat)
I have seen a lot of invalid information in this thread so far. That's why I choose not to pay attention to someone writing about how it can't get on plane, has a tupper ware box for the radio box, conks out on turns, gets laughed at by everyone at the lake (my favorite so far. lol), etc.
05-06-2008, 08:51 AM
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thanks bob
Well, I got the boat!
It was very well packaged. A box, within a box, and the boat was wrapped in bubble wrap.
Instructions suck and should be thrown away.
Rudder mount arm needed to be ground down along transom side to reach bolt holes, but the rudder is very nice wedge with water pickup inside. I enlarged the hole already, (more on that in another thread).
Hull is beautiful. Engine cover latch balls needed to be tightened to hold cover better/tighter.
Outdrive is nice. I was able to adjust it's pitch and depth. The highest I could get the outdrive is: the top of the prop shaft is level with the bottom of the back of the boat. It does have a bronze(?) bushing holding the prop shaft.
Octura prop is nice. Prop nut is billet, pointed tip, anodized blue. (nice)
The driveshaft seems too short. I believe it should be 1" longer so it can't pull out of either the engine or prop shaft. (easy fix)
The radio is a total throw away. Servos are junk, reception is about 20 ft with the antena down. My CX2P is awaiting a receiver to go in.
The engine seems like a standard weedeater engine.
The carb spacer/manifold is too long. The bolts that hold the carb on, butt up against the engine cover. This can be solved by cutting down the manifold.
The engine front cover that holds the coil is made of metal, and it's thick. There is also a blast ring installed over the clutch on the front of the engine cover that is made of THICK metal. The blast ring can come completely off and the engine cover can be trimmed down significantly. Much weight can be dropped here.
the exhaust seems ok. Water cooled header, although it's a 90 degree bend.
I hope this is coming across in the right way. I'm happy to have a boat again, and these problems are minor in my view.
Here's the kicker....
The ad said that it had a water pump. There is no water pump on this boat. There is simply a water pickup on the rudder. This boat has a clutch though. So if it stops, it'll over heat.
So I called the place I ordered from and explained that it is false advertising to say water pump on this system.
He said he would have fedex pick up the boat and refund all my money, but I told him I still wanted the boat.
He refunded me 50 bucks so I could buy a water pump.
I told him that in the future, he can only say 'water cooled' at best, if he doesn't want to get sued.
So, anyways.....
I have a nice new boat, that I am going to install a water pump on, and install my radio. Then I'm going to get some base line tests before I do any mods to power or weight.
If you care to read about it in the future, I'll write the thread of my progress.
As some have called it, 'a turd', I believe this boat's name will be the 'China Turd'. I'll title the thread appropriately in the future.
Mike
Well, I got the boat!
It was very well packaged. A box, within a box, and the boat was wrapped in bubble wrap.
Instructions suck and should be thrown away.
Rudder mount arm needed to be ground down along transom side to reach bolt holes, but the rudder is very nice wedge with water pickup inside. I enlarged the hole already, (more on that in another thread).
Hull is beautiful. Engine cover latch balls needed to be tightened to hold cover better/tighter.
Outdrive is nice. I was able to adjust it's pitch and depth. The highest I could get the outdrive is: the top of the prop shaft is level with the bottom of the back of the boat. It does have a bronze(?) bushing holding the prop shaft.
Octura prop is nice. Prop nut is billet, pointed tip, anodized blue. (nice)
The driveshaft seems too short. I believe it should be 1" longer so it can't pull out of either the engine or prop shaft. (easy fix)
The radio is a total throw away. Servos are junk, reception is about 20 ft with the antena down. My CX2P is awaiting a receiver to go in.
The engine seems like a standard weedeater engine.
The carb spacer/manifold is too long. The bolts that hold the carb on, butt up against the engine cover. This can be solved by cutting down the manifold.
The engine front cover that holds the coil is made of metal, and it's thick. There is also a blast ring installed over the clutch on the front of the engine cover that is made of THICK metal. The blast ring can come completely off and the engine cover can be trimmed down significantly. Much weight can be dropped here.
the exhaust seems ok. Water cooled header, although it's a 90 degree bend.
I hope this is coming across in the right way. I'm happy to have a boat again, and these problems are minor in my view.
Here's the kicker....
The ad said that it had a water pump. There is no water pump on this boat. There is simply a water pickup on the rudder. This boat has a clutch though. So if it stops, it'll over heat.
So I called the place I ordered from and explained that it is false advertising to say water pump on this system.
He said he would have fedex pick up the boat and refund all my money, but I told him I still wanted the boat.
He refunded me 50 bucks so I could buy a water pump.
I told him that in the future, he can only say 'water cooled' at best, if he doesn't want to get sued.
So, anyways.....
I have a nice new boat, that I am going to install a water pump on, and install my radio. Then I'm going to get some base line tests before I do any mods to power or weight.
If you care to read about it in the future, I'll write the thread of my progress.
As some have called it, 'a turd', I believe this boat's name will be the 'China Turd'. I'll title the thread appropriately in the future.
Mike
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ORIGINAL: Mike SVOR
I'm just quoting this so I can see it later.
a. won't get on plane
b. CG off
c. not stable at WOT
d. ugly
p.s. You also said it came with a tupper wear box for the radio box.
We'll see how correct you are.
ORIGINAL: gofast53
I can speak from experience as I made the mistake of buying one of these some time ago (luckily I got rid of it pretty quickly!). Previous comments stating it can not get on plane are correct, as hull is too heavy, CG is way out and motor is gutless. I tried swapping out motor for a stock zenoah with tuned pipe and changing its CG, but it still struggled to get up on plane and was not very stable at WOT.
Everyone at the pond always commented how ugly it looked especially when running on the water......it looked more like a sick whale!
I can speak from experience as I made the mistake of buying one of these some time ago (luckily I got rid of it pretty quickly!). Previous comments stating it can not get on plane are correct, as hull is too heavy, CG is way out and motor is gutless. I tried swapping out motor for a stock zenoah with tuned pipe and changing its CG, but it still struggled to get up on plane and was not very stable at WOT.
Everyone at the pond always commented how ugly it looked especially when running on the water......it looked more like a sick whale!
I'm just quoting this so I can see it later.
a. won't get on plane
b. CG off
c. not stable at WOT
d. ugly
p.s. You also said it came with a tupper wear box for the radio box.
We'll see how correct you are.
05-06-2008, 01:16 PM
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sorry I will add my input, I can get these dirt cheap I have suppliers useing Alibaba they look great really really nice fit and finish IT WILL NOT PLANE NOT EVER!! It rides low really low, and the first hydo I had ever seen with the prop conpletly under water, And there is no chance for it over turning it wont go fast enough to shift it's weight that hard. The one we reviced as an demo did have a water pump seamed ok , the rx box was like tupperware not as nice but seamed to seal up ok. It was very slow. I passed on getting these for at home business because I didn't want the hassel of dealing with upset peoples. Like I said I can get the boats cheap but have to get 10 at a time , But no propblams with parts if you need them. I in all honestey don't think these can ever be made to work well the hull has more than a few crital flaws. sorry hope I didn't further confuse the issua at hand, maybe we just got a crappy demo ( some of them get passed to the next dealer an I could have got an abused one) good luck and the bottem line if you are having fun than that's it. ( o yeah the same manufactor has a rc boat that looks like a box they say will tow a skier cant wait to see vid LOL)
05-06-2008, 02:25 PM
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dude you're head is like a rock. we've been there and done that. the boat is CHINA JUNK. you ask for opinion's and you got them and now you're all ticked off and defending that CHINA JUNK. were only trying to stop you from getting into a boat that will cost you in time and trouble. and might make you quit rc boating all together. buy a wearhouse hobbies SUPER GATOR. and have fun with a bomb proof design and flawless craftmanship....and it will only cost you a few more $$$$....
dude you're head is like a rock. we've been there and done that. the boat is CHINA JUNK. you ask for opinion's and you got them and now you're all ticked off and defending that CHINA JUNK. were only trying to stop you from getting into a boat that will cost you in time and trouble. and might make you quit rc boating all together. buy a wearhouse hobbies SUPER GATOR. and have fun with a bomb proof design and flawless craftmanship....and it will only cost you a few more $$$$....
Who's getting 'all ticked off'??? You're the one getting all pissy.
I could put this motor on a flat piece of plywood and it would work.
So relax, it's my project, not yours. I asked for experience with THIS boat, not something else.
05-06-2008, 02:27 PM
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sorry I will add my input, I can get these dirt cheap I have suppliers useing Alibaba they look great really really nice fit and finish IT WILL NOT PLANE NOT EVER!! It rides low really low, and the first hydo I had ever seen with the prop conpletly under water, And there is no chance for it over turning it wont go fast enough to shift it's weight that hard. The one we reviced as an demo did have a water pump seamed ok , the rx box was like tupperware not as nice but seamed to seal up ok. It was very slow. I passed on getting these for at home business because I didn't want the hassel of dealing with upset peoples. Like I said I can get the boats cheap but have to get 10 at a time , But no propblams with parts if you need them. I in all honestey don't think these can ever be made to work well the hull has more than a few crital flaws. sorry hope I didn't further confuse the issua at hand, maybe we just got a crappy demo ( some of them get passed to the next dealer an I could have got an abused one) good luck and the bottem line if you are having fun than that's it. ( o yeah the same manufactor has a rc boat that looks like a box they say will tow a skier cant wait to see vid LOL)
sorry I will add my input, I can get these dirt cheap I have suppliers useing Alibaba they look great really really nice fit and finish IT WILL NOT PLANE NOT EVER!! It rides low really low, and the first hydo I had ever seen with the prop conpletly under water, And there is no chance for it over turning it wont go fast enough to shift it's weight that hard. The one we reviced as an demo did have a water pump seamed ok , the rx box was like tupperware not as nice but seamed to seal up ok. It was very slow. I passed on getting these for at home business because I didn't want the hassel of dealing with upset peoples. Like I said I can get the boats cheap but have to get 10 at a time , But no propblams with parts if you need them. I in all honestey don't think these can ever be made to work well the hull has more than a few crital flaws. sorry hope I didn't further confuse the issua at hand, maybe we just got a crappy demo ( some of them get passed to the next dealer an I could have got an abused one) good luck and the bottem line if you are having fun than that's it. ( o yeah the same manufactor has a rc boat that looks like a box they say will tow a skier cant wait to see vid LOL)
Ok, another saying it won't plane out. And this time, we have a "NEVER" in there!!!
So not even with a 4 blade prop and the lowest pitch prop...
It will never get on plane.
I think i'm going tonight to throw it in the water and video tape it.
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LOL you have seen its foot print ours was more cat than hydro, sorry i will change the never to mean without changing the driveshaft design and the unbelivable lack of power and the angle of attack of the prop , and the airfiol, aside from that at least what I can remeber everthing else was ok. I belive the first ever break away rudder that I had seen and no turn fin. I think alot of people are fooled by its speed larger model's traveling fast at least two me don't seem as fast as a smaller model moving at the same speed. we took a short vid of or test run some crappy LHS is showing as there own in a Florida Hobby and moped shop, I will try to refind and post here or you tube
05-06-2008, 02:58 PM
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i will change the never to mean without changing the driveshaft design .....
i will change the never to mean without changing the driveshaft design .....
Change the drive shaft design?? roflmao
DUDE, how much simpler does it need to be? It's a weedeater drive cable surrounded by a plastic sheath.
They still use this design in nitro outboards with a 90 degree bend.
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oh yeah did you see it lol it never gets up not even once , talk to Per or Darce there they are just a middle man conp ( its a chinese company said it took 2 months to get the engine working right and it only last for 3 tanks they tossed the boat and do not sell)