BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
10-03-2011, 06:50 AM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
ORIGINAL: Edwin
Well, a perfect example of what we are all talking about. My buddy with the DL50 emailed me this morning, it finally died this weekend. He's a 3D guy and was in a hover and fortunately pretty high when the engine just stopped, and he did a good dead stick. A wrist pin snap ring broke and the engine ate it. No compression, deep gouges in the cylinder wall and piston. He asked if it was worth fixing, I told him no, its disposable. I suspect he's gonna move on to a DA. He could have lost a fairly new plane. I suspect he had about 50 hours or so on it. He's had it for about 2 1/2 years. I'll find out shortly.
Edwin
Just heard back from him, only 60 hours.
Well, a perfect example of what we are all talking about. My buddy with the DL50 emailed me this morning, it finally died this weekend. He's a 3D guy and was in a hover and fortunately pretty high when the engine just stopped, and he did a good dead stick. A wrist pin snap ring broke and the engine ate it. No compression, deep gouges in the cylinder wall and piston. He asked if it was worth fixing, I told him no, its disposable. I suspect he's gonna move on to a DA. He could have lost a fairly new plane. I suspect he had about 50 hours or so on it. He's had it for about 2 1/2 years. I'll find out shortly.
Edwin
Just heard back from him, only 60 hours.
And as far as Zenoahs going away! They might but not anytime soon! You forget that while the rest of these engines are designed solely for RC use the Zenoahs for the most part are not.
10-03-2011, 08:01 AM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
ORIGINAL: skillet92
Maybe I am missing something here? 60 hours and it is bad that it failed? At, lets say 379 dollars, that is about 6.30 an hour for the engine. Good value in MHO. I have seen many of the more expensive brands fail also. And in saying that (and I have 4 DLE's and 3 Zenoahs) I will be the first to say that while the DA's and 3W's may be better...... or they that much better for the weekend sport flyer for the money?? That is a personal choice based on your hobby budget.
And as far as Zenoahs going away! They might but not anytime soon! You forget that while the rest of these engines are designed solely for RC use the Zenoahs for the most part are not.
ORIGINAL: Edwin
Well, a perfect example of what we are all talking about. My buddy with the DL50 emailed me this morning, it finally died this weekend. He's a 3D guy and was in a hover and fortunately pretty high when the engine just stopped, and he did a good dead stick. A wrist pin snap ring broke and the engine ate it. No compression, deep gouges in the cylinder wall and piston. He asked if it was worth fixing, I told him no, its disposable. I suspect he's gonna move on to a DA. He could have lost a fairly new plane. I suspect he had about 50 hours or so on it. He's had it for about 2 1/2 years. I'll find out shortly.
Edwin
Just heard back from him, only 60 hours.
Well, a perfect example of what we are all talking about. My buddy with the DL50 emailed me this morning, it finally died this weekend. He's a 3D guy and was in a hover and fortunately pretty high when the engine just stopped, and he did a good dead stick. A wrist pin snap ring broke and the engine ate it. No compression, deep gouges in the cylinder wall and piston. He asked if it was worth fixing, I told him no, its disposable. I suspect he's gonna move on to a DA. He could have lost a fairly new plane. I suspect he had about 50 hours or so on it. He's had it for about 2 1/2 years. I'll find out shortly.
Edwin
Just heard back from him, only 60 hours.
And as far as Zenoahs going away! They might but not anytime soon! You forget that while the rest of these engines are designed solely for RC use the Zenoahs for the most part are not.
10-03-2011, 08:38 AM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
DL50 gets used for 3d and longevity is compared to a zenith that's probably pulling a cub around... Yeah that's logical....sigh
<edit> Zenith = Zenoah when typing on Nokia handheld with predicative text on...
<edit> Zenith = Zenoah when typing on Nokia handheld with predicative text on...
10-03-2011, 09:55 AM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
Zenith(?) GT80s are routinely running at 11,500 rpm pulling our Giant Scale raceplanes around at 190 mph...
G62s run 9000 rpm pulling raceplanes at 135 mph..
G26 marine engines are running 18,000 pulling race boats around at 100 mph..
G26 heli engines run at 10,000 rpm..
Try that on your Cub..Or your DL50
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G62s run 9000 rpm pulling raceplanes at 135 mph..
G26 marine engines are running 18,000 pulling race boats around at 100 mph..
G26 heli engines run at 10,000 rpm..
Try that on your Cub..Or your DL50
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10-03-2011, 10:47 AM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
ORIGINAL: TimBle
DL50 gets used for 3d and longevity is compared to a zenith that's probably pulling a cub around... Yeah that's logical....sigh
DL50 gets used for 3d and longevity is compared to a zenith that's probably pulling a cub around... Yeah that's logical....sigh
10-03-2011, 01:47 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
I like my zenoahs, BUT! Redesign the carbs so that the throttle linkage is a straight shot. And I dont want to buy an adapter!
10-03-2011, 01:53 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
I must be the only guy that flew Fuji and liked them. I had two, a 50 and a 60 size. Both ran great and flew in Yellow Aircraft P-40's just fine. I lost them both in crashes that were not the motors fault. I do not own a Zen, but there sure are a lot of them at the warbird gatherings. But as others have said, the RC market is a funny thing at times. You never know.
10-03-2011, 02:34 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
ORIGINAL: jeffEE
I must be the only guy that flew Fuji and liked them. I had two, a 50 and a 60 size. Both ran great and flew in Yellow Aircraft P-40's just fine. I lost them both in crashes that were not the motors fault. I do not own a Zen, but there sure are a lot of them at the warbird gatherings. But as others have said, the RC market is a funny thing at times. You never know.
I must be the only guy that flew Fuji and liked them. I had two, a 50 and a 60 size. Both ran great and flew in Yellow Aircraft P-40's just fine. I lost them both in crashes that were not the motors fault. I do not own a Zen, but there sure are a lot of them at the warbird gatherings. But as others have said, the RC market is a funny thing at times. You never know.
10-03-2011, 03:51 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
Funny thing ... my DLE55 out pulled a friend's Zenoah G62 in some recent bench static testing...
Of course both engines were not new and a lot of other factors enter the realm. Kind of interesting result.
Zenoah is a good motor in my book...
Of course both engines were not new and a lot of other factors enter the realm. Kind of interesting result.
Zenoah is a good motor in my book...
10-03-2011, 04:33 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
What is wrong with a 4 star? they are great flying planes. And as far as rubber bands, there is an entire world of flying on rubber. Don't knock it till you try it. But this is a bit off topic, perhaps better left for a different thread!
10-03-2011, 05:08 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
ORIGINAL: jmpups
If all you have advanced to flying is a 4 star 120, go back to rubber bands
If all you have advanced to flying is a 4 star 120, go back to rubber bands
Oooohhh, here we go, looking down on somebody having fun with a 4 Star 120. Wow, maybe your highness would tell us what we have to fly. And of course, rubber band fliers have no clue that they cannot be having fun either...
Geezz get over yourself!
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10-03-2011, 05:20 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
no your not the only one , i have run both zenohas and fugis for years and i would have to give koodos to my fugi, but that was the past ive been running the zdz's for years now and i love their clean transition and excellent power to weight i dont fly warbirds anymore, sorry correction i just fly the ones with turbines now
10-03-2011, 06:24 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
ORIGINAL: jmpups
If all you have advanced to flying is a 4 star 120, go back to rubber bands
If all you have advanced to flying is a 4 star 120, go back to rubber bands
10-03-2011, 07:49 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
Actually, with all the trees I've flown through I found that a chainsaw engine up front is what really saves the day...
BUT... zenoah is an engine that will exist even without rc since it has industrial/tool market and that makes it refined and cheap and reliable with parts availability. Many airplane types need a reliable solid engine, not a "3D" engine, warbirds/bipes/ and some scale planes actually need some weight up front and zenoah gives the weight and reliability. There is a joy when I run one of my magneto engines as its one less battery to charge on the plane without the electronic ignition.
You saw that zenoah ad a few years back where the guy crashed his zenoah powered plane into a swamp, didn't find it till next summer and the engine spent all winter in the ice,,, only to be found, cleaned up and it fired right up. Frankly we can expand that ad campaign to say that during the off season the zenoah can be used as a boat anchor, a heavy duty paperweight, a bowling ball that slides more than rolls, a wheel chock for airliners, an emergency window breaking device should your car drive into a river with you in it.
The fuji 's that went out of business, are those the ones Tower Hobby was selling?? Say it isn't so!
BUT... zenoah is an engine that will exist even without rc since it has industrial/tool market and that makes it refined and cheap and reliable with parts availability. Many airplane types need a reliable solid engine, not a "3D" engine, warbirds/bipes/ and some scale planes actually need some weight up front and zenoah gives the weight and reliability. There is a joy when I run one of my magneto engines as its one less battery to charge on the plane without the electronic ignition.
You saw that zenoah ad a few years back where the guy crashed his zenoah powered plane into a swamp, didn't find it till next summer and the engine spent all winter in the ice,,, only to be found, cleaned up and it fired right up. Frankly we can expand that ad campaign to say that during the off season the zenoah can be used as a boat anchor, a heavy duty paperweight, a bowling ball that slides more than rolls, a wheel chock for airliners, an emergency window breaking device should your car drive into a river with you in it.
The fuji 's that went out of business, are those the ones Tower Hobby was selling?? Say it isn't so!
10-03-2011, 08:00 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
I have the fuji 24 in a 1/4 cub, a 64cc in a giant stinger, both magneto, but I do like the 26cc zenoah a little bit better, now I guess I have reason to stay w/ zenoah for those plane types...
10-03-2011, 09:14 PM
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The original post was pointless...I'm surprised it's up to 72 posts now. We all know Zenoah is not going out of business or 'down the crapper'. Let's end this sillyness and move on. [:'(]
10-03-2011, 10:54 PM
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Fortunately, the market will determine the engine survivors, not this thread. BTW, what ever happened to Quadra and Sachs? I have both brands, they run fine, but they're heavy. My DA's are far superior but they cost a bit more, for sure. The old adage, "you get what you pay for" comes to mind.
10-03-2011, 11:21 PM
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RE: BOLD PREDICTION: Zenoah will eventually follow FUJI IMVAC down the crapper
well do you? Get what you pay for? Or do sometimes pay more for the same thing?
The beauty of recessive economic growth is that it weeds out the underperformers.
I am 90% certain at a 90% confidence that Zenaoh will survive. But I am less confident that they will remain an RC engine supplier unless they make some changes to their product line.
Example I was looking at a 26 cc recently for a warbird (BH FW190) and looked at their engine. Too bulky heavy, don't seem to like the bigger scale props. Ordered an MVVS instead. Still a qulaity engine but the chinese lost out because none of their engines met the weight or packaging requirement either.
The beauty of recessive economic growth is that it weeds out the underperformers.
I am 90% certain at a 90% confidence that Zenaoh will survive. But I am less confident that they will remain an RC engine supplier unless they make some changes to their product line.
Example I was looking at a 26 cc recently for a warbird (BH FW190) and looked at their engine. Too bulky heavy, don't seem to like the bigger scale props. Ordered an MVVS instead. Still a qulaity engine but the chinese lost out because none of their engines met the weight or packaging requirement either.