3W to DA
12-22-2003, 03:25 AM
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RE: 3W to DA
Just look at the DA compared to the 3W. Dave Johnson takes pride in his product did you ever wouder why he left 3W. The man puts out the best engine. Everybody else is trying to compete with his engines and cant. Dave takes the time to develop and test engines before he sells them thats why there are not a lot of sizes available at this time. All the other engine manufatures should be scared because the day DA will offer all the same engines as them is the day they will be out of buisseness
12-22-2003, 07:10 PM
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RE: 3W to DA
DA and 3W...they're both fricking 2-stroke motors with few moving parts and similar diaphragm carbs. The design details look pretty similar too. Gas....spark....compression.....no air leaks....and they both run. I've never sent a 3W in for service. I order the parts and fix 'em myself. I do sympathize with those who have received poor warranty service. I'd love to know what a "bench charge" is for a warrantied motor? Unless you crash it, take it apart, or do something dumb to it.....you shouldn't have to pay a dime for warranty work.
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3W DA WHATEVER..the quality and workmanship on either of these is first rate.I am nota competive type pilot so I imagine there are fine lines between the two but both are of a high quality..
01-02-2004, 07:13 AM
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RE: 3W to DA
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3W DA WHATEVER..the quality and workmanship on either of these is first rate.I am nota competive type pilot so I imagine there are fine lines between the two but both are of a high quality..
3W DA WHATEVER..the quality and workmanship on either of these is first rate.I am nota competive type pilot so I imagine there are fine lines between the two but both are of a high quality..
01-02-2004, 09:54 AM
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I actually had a problem with my DA yesterday. I have not run the engine in a month. I went out in 40 degree whether and it actually took more than one flip to start it. One I got it going it was great as always.
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01-02-2004, 11:09 AM
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Ok, I'll step in here, I have snow on the ground now for a wee bit so a O flame fest is just what I need.
Here's the bottom line for me. You have LOST confidence in 3W. Sad fact but true, nonetheless. If you fly the 3W you will be forever wondering when the "next problem" will occur. It "WILL AFFECT" how you fly your plane, what you will be willing to do with it, and your overall "comfortability factor". You will not have the confidence to push the envelope with this plane. It will therefore hurt your learning curve, slow you down.
Make you timid instead of bold.
That's ALLOT of money spent just to have to worry about problems you clearly have the afore knowledge to prevent. Your obviously no dummy, you have apparently tremendous experience with gassers.
For me, service is just as important as performance. Parts availability is paramount. What good is the most powerful engine sitting on the bench awaiting parts?
That notwithstanding, you do not have confidence in 3W anymore.
That says it all for me.
Your going to put $3000-4000 in the air and wonder when the next hiccup will come, and HOPE it's not at 6 feet above the runway.
Way too much money to HOPE!
Your done, and you have shown allot of class trying to give 3W a second and third chance.
Times up.
I'll look forward to meeting you this spring at your club and watching you fly the wings off your new DA...
Here's the bottom line for me. You have LOST confidence in 3W. Sad fact but true, nonetheless. If you fly the 3W you will be forever wondering when the "next problem" will occur. It "WILL AFFECT" how you fly your plane, what you will be willing to do with it, and your overall "comfortability factor". You will not have the confidence to push the envelope with this plane. It will therefore hurt your learning curve, slow you down.
Make you timid instead of bold.
That's ALLOT of money spent just to have to worry about problems you clearly have the afore knowledge to prevent. Your obviously no dummy, you have apparently tremendous experience with gassers.
For me, service is just as important as performance. Parts availability is paramount. What good is the most powerful engine sitting on the bench awaiting parts?
That notwithstanding, you do not have confidence in 3W anymore.
That says it all for me.
Your going to put $3000-4000 in the air and wonder when the next hiccup will come, and HOPE it's not at 6 feet above the runway.
Way too much money to HOPE!
Your done, and you have shown allot of class trying to give 3W a second and third chance.
Times up.
I'll look forward to meeting you this spring at your club and watching you fly the wings off your new DA...
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Otter I'm still with ya. All this waffling is making my head spin so I have
to stop before the dumb thing falls off. I'm headed for the shop right
now to put the standoffs for the DA in my Edge. Final answer.
Otter I'm still with ya. All this waffling is making my head spin so I have
to stop before the dumb thing falls off. I'm headed for the shop right
now to put the standoffs for the DA in my Edge. Final answer.
01-02-2004, 03:08 PM
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Looks awesome John!
Going in your Cap I assume? Did you get the little Saito fuel filter with yours? I got one with my second 100 but not with my first one.
Going in your Cap I assume? Did you get the little Saito fuel filter with yours? I got one with my second 100 but not with my first one.
01-02-2004, 06:02 PM
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I've had one in my old 540 for a coup;e of years now and just pulled
it out for a little winter maintenance. Darn thing is just as shiny today
as when I hid it in there 2 years ago. Quality shows.
it out for a little winter maintenance. Darn thing is just as shiny today
as when I hid it in there 2 years ago. Quality shows.
09-30-2004, 07:10 AM
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Geeze, with everyone slamming 3W so badly there should 1 for sale cheap! Anybody out there got a 106 QS for sale?
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09-30-2004, 07:47 AM
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My friend's 3W 106 just broke a crankshaft during a flight last weekend. He lost the airplane as a result.
We are now down to just 2 die-hards flying 3W at our field out of about 10 to 12 active contest pilots. Our highest class pilot flies Advanced and still insists he should be flying 3W. He's very competitive and wins in the contests when his engine stays running. He drops out of 1st place when he spends the weekend with the cowl off twisting wrenches. The few 3W's left at our field have already gone to DA ignitions to try and solve their reliabilty issues.
The DA powered pilots just spend the contest weekend flying. I've flown both. Try and be loyal to whatever you want, and try to explain away all you want. I don't have time to deal with problems, so I fly what works consistently. My DA 100.
Hope to see you all at the Tucson Aerobatic Shootout!!
Take care,
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We are now down to just 2 die-hards flying 3W at our field out of about 10 to 12 active contest pilots. Our highest class pilot flies Advanced and still insists he should be flying 3W. He's very competitive and wins in the contests when his engine stays running. He drops out of 1st place when he spends the weekend with the cowl off twisting wrenches. The few 3W's left at our field have already gone to DA ignitions to try and solve their reliabilty issues.
The DA powered pilots just spend the contest weekend flying. I've flown both. Try and be loyal to whatever you want, and try to explain away all you want. I don't have time to deal with problems, so I fly what works consistently. My DA 100.
Hope to see you all at the Tucson Aerobatic Shootout!!
Take care,
Dean Bird
2004 Sportsman Class Champion
JR-SCAT Scale Aerobatics Series
09-30-2004, 10:14 AM
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Geeze, with everyone slamming 3W so badly there should 1 for sale cheap! Anybody out there got a 106 QS for sale?
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Geeze, with everyone slamming 3W so badly there should 1 for sale cheap! Anybody out there got a 106 QS for sale?
[email protected]
09-30-2004, 05:35 PM
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I dont understand why everyone is so down on 3w. I have a 150ss and a 106ss both are some of the strongest motors i have seen out there, we have DA and BME out at our feild and 3w just blows them away. I would put my motor up against anything else out there, also 3 others out at our feild have 106's and 150's and are very strong. Even the guys that run da admit that there is no comparison between the two motors. im not sayin that da isnt a bad motor, but they dont make that power that 3w does. and everyone is going to have some trouble with their motors once and a while. so quit giving 3w a bad name.
09-30-2004, 06:10 PM
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I have had all 3 of the big 3 motors, DA 100, 3W 106, and BME 110. All three are fine motors, just a little different. The cadillac being the DA, reliable, smooth, good all around power, the best customer service without a doubt. The 106 like an old hot rod, 99% dependability, and brute torque. My 110 has only 1.5 gallons through it and can already tell its stronger than my DAs or 3Ws. Its a tad behind (what I can tell so far with 1.5 gallons of lawnboy through it) in torque from the 106, probably due to a shorter stroke than a 3W or DA, but top end power is no comparison. Pick one, set it up properly, and fly it. I have had 2 DAs, 6 3Ws, and now a BME, and no major gripes or complaints on any of them yet to date. Like I said each has its good/bad points. The DA is the preferred motor every where you go not because its the most powerful (which its not), its because when you need your motor fixed (very rarely) you usually get it back the same week you send it in. I think the 106 is a great 3D motor, good low end torque, and pretty darn good top end power as well. The 110 is suited for 28-30lb airplanes where you need the extra power for say an unlimited sequence. This topic has been killed to death in the past couple years. I would say almost everyone would agree with this statement, that most motor problems are operator error, not the motor.
SpgBob, you are right about the 3W out pulling the DA, but you got to admit after seeing the 110 run at full grunt there is nothing that compares.
SpgBob, you are right about the 3W out pulling the DA, but you got to admit after seeing the 110 run at full grunt there is nothing that compares.
09-30-2004, 11:44 PM
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no you are not..I have a 3w and find it extremely reliable.....both da and 3w are cadillacs with respect to gas engines.both exhibit good enginnering and make no doubt the power is as strong as anything out there..but I guess its like buying a car.it's a matter of ones personal experinecs and tastes.me...I would never ever buy a chrylser product.ugh!but I have friends that think my explorer is crappy too.my point is that 3w and da arer highly valued engines..I also think its a matter of weight an d expectations..
10-01-2004, 05:26 AM
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I have had all 3 of the big 3 motors, DA 100, 3W 106, and BME 110. All three are fine motors, just a little different. The cadillac being the DA, reliable, smooth, good all around power, the best customer service without a doubt. The 106 like an old hot rod, 99% dependability, and brute torque. My 110 has only 1.5 gallons through it and can already tell its stronger than my DAs or 3Ws. Its a tad behind (what I can tell so far with 1.5 gallons of lawnboy through it) in torque from the 106, probably due to a shorter stroke than a 3W or DA, but top end power is no comparison. Pick one, set it up properly, and fly it. I have had 2 DAs, 6 3Ws, and now a BME, and no major gripes or complaints on any of them yet to date. Like I said each has its good/bad points. The DA is the preferred motor every where you go not because its the most powerful (which its not), its because when you need your motor fixed (very rarely) you usually get it back the same week you send it in. I think the 106 is a great 3D motor, good low end torque, and pretty darn good top end power as well. The 110 is suited for 28-30lb airplanes where you need the extra power for say an unlimited sequence. This topic has been killed to death in the past couple years. I would say almost everyone would agree with this statement, that most motor problems are operator error, not the motor.
SpgBob, you are right about the 3W out pulling the DA, but you got to admit after seeing the 110 run at full grunt there is nothing that compares.
I have had all 3 of the big 3 motors, DA 100, 3W 106, and BME 110. All three are fine motors, just a little different. The cadillac being the DA, reliable, smooth, good all around power, the best customer service without a doubt. The 106 like an old hot rod, 99% dependability, and brute torque. My 110 has only 1.5 gallons through it and can already tell its stronger than my DAs or 3Ws. Its a tad behind (what I can tell so far with 1.5 gallons of lawnboy through it) in torque from the 106, probably due to a shorter stroke than a 3W or DA, but top end power is no comparison. Pick one, set it up properly, and fly it. I have had 2 DAs, 6 3Ws, and now a BME, and no major gripes or complaints on any of them yet to date. Like I said each has its good/bad points. The DA is the preferred motor every where you go not because its the most powerful (which its not), its because when you need your motor fixed (very rarely) you usually get it back the same week you send it in. I think the 106 is a great 3D motor, good low end torque, and pretty darn good top end power as well. The 110 is suited for 28-30lb airplanes where you need the extra power for say an unlimited sequence. This topic has been killed to death in the past couple years. I would say almost everyone would agree with this statement, that most motor problems are operator error, not the motor.
SpgBob, you are right about the 3W out pulling the DA, but you got to admit after seeing the 110 run at full grunt there is nothing that compares.
Very good and fair comparison!
10-01-2004, 10:58 PM
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RE: 3W to DA
I use the DA-150s in a different arena, big iron warbirds. I have been using one for two years in a 55# Bearcat. It breaks ground in about four fuselage lengths and climbs at a 45 degree angle as long as you can see it.
They are smoother running than some of the other 150 cc motors that I have seen and are utterly reliable on throttle response.
No motor is perfect but they sure seem to do well in this application.
They are smoother running than some of the other 150 cc motors that I have seen and are utterly reliable on throttle response.
No motor is perfect but they sure seem to do well in this application.
10-02-2004, 09:26 AM
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RE: 3W to DA
ORIGINAL: CAPtain232
The MILLION DOLLAR question!!!
If all the 3W engine problems are due to the owners,why do the same people switch to DA and have no problems?
The MILLION DOLLAR question!!!