ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing

If the spacer is too tight, the CB bearing will become preloaded and then the CB won't spin freely on the crank snout anymore. In short, this means that the CB will spin whenever the engine is running. Not good.[8D]

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing

The X SS uses a steel spacer instead of the soft and somewhat "loose" brass spacer. The HPI p/n is 86171. I put one of these on mine when I put the racing CB on and haven't had any issues. [8D]

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

I went and got the steel spacer today. I have a question. It looks a bit close with the screw and the spacer. What I mean is is there a chance that the spacer will slip over the head of the screw? Should I use a washer? I am just afraid that if I use it there will be no space left. OR. Should I put one washer on the screw itself and then screw it back on. Do you understand what I mean or should I send a pic?
How is yours set up?

Thanks

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

I went and got the steel spacer today. I have a question. It looks a bit close with the screw and the spacer. What I mean is is there a chance that the spacer will slip over the head of the screw? Should I use a washer? I am just afraid that if I use it there will be no space left. OR. Should I put one washer on the screw itself and then screw it back on. Do you understand what I mean or should I send a pic?
How is yours set up?

Thanks

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing

The Savages never came with a washer between the screw and the bushing.

ORIGINAL: ThunderbirdJunkie


Every single SS 25, 25, and X I've seen has had one, including mine.

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing


Nope. They never came with them. Screw and bushing only on the outer CB end. The only washer they had in the CB "area" was the one between the inner CB bearing and the flywheel nut.

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

I will have to agree with gravediggerracing, there was not a washer there originally. Even here in the manual as you can see.



To gravediggerracing-- I have it on without the washer now and there is, what looks like ample free space in between. I will take it out in a couple of days and keep up to date.
Thanks again.

ORIGINAL: go-to

Hate to tell you this, but the manual doesn't mean much...experience has taught me that.

I didn't wanna bring this up again but I've also had (2) Savages that came with a washer on the OUTER clutch bell bearing. So that brings the total up to (4) in just this thread that contradicts what has been said as assuredly not true.

Doesn't make any difference either way so long as you get your setup running well stu.

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

Since I posted that last I have thought about it and I actually put the washer on the outer screw(Z517) itself and screwed it back in that way it has the protection of not slipping off and it dosent interfere with the free play of the CB.

Also, a little off topic but I just rebuilt the diffs with the alloy cups and shims and noticed that the instructions say that there is a washer that is sipposed to be included in the pack that was not in either one. The washer that goes between the cup and the gear head http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/86099.html I wonder why it is in the included parts list but not in the originally sealed bag? hmmm

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing

http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/ki...s_comparem.jpg

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

First I would like to say thank you for the information. Secondly, did you happen to notice that the New Savage X 4.6 RTR has the steel spacer on it rather than brass. I guess they addressed the problem.
Here you can check it out. Bout halfway down the page.
http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/867.html

Thanks again for all of the help!!!

Here is a pic:

ORIGINAL: go-to

Hate to tell you this, but the manual doesn't mean much...experience has taught me that.

I didn't wanna bring this up again but I've also had (2) Savages that came with a washer on the OUTER clutch bell bearing. So that brings the total up to (4) in just this thread that contradicts what has been said as assuredly not true.

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

Agreed. [8D]. By the way sorry to have reposted the earlier post I sent you. I first though you didn't reply because I may have offended you with a PM. Some people don't like direct PM's. I guess I was wrong. Thank you again.[sm=shades_smile.gif]

Also After I ran the washer as described earler, I realized that it wasn't necessary as the steel screw and spacer were enough and the washer was just overkill. Good call

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing

I think you are confused. By washer do you mean a thin washer or are you referring to the thicker brass spacer? Some people have been known to wrongly use the terms spacer and washer in the same context. The SPACER has come on every Savage produced. Not the WASHER, but hey, maybe HPI released a few "special" trucks just to mess with everyone later on.

ORIGINAL: go-to


No, I'm not confused...you've just been re-stating things I say in a slightly different way.

One last time. I know the different between a washer and a spacer very well and in no way should I be *lumped* in with your average hobbyist.

Every time I read your posts man, you seem to be shooting down known-good Engineering principles simply because you know nitro R/C pretty well. I'm not trying to be the horses' @$$ here, but you don't know my background so please don't assume or continue to re-state things I've already said as though I'm clueless over here.

So my background is Manufacturing and as I know VERY well things can change on the line and not make it to the tech. writers for some long time. That change can also be reversed quickly and the changes allowed to continue on with no secondary issues. Just because you personally haven't seen this washer doesn't mean it never happened...that's all.

I also never said the washer was needed with the steel spacer (which I have taken you advise to buy) and eliminate the brass spacer and washer setup. I have noticed that even set up just about perfect in clearence the brass will still wear quickly.

Alright so all that said I am honestly hoping you understand why I even said it. I hold no ill-will against anyone here at all, and to the contrary I hope to even further my knowledge here.

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

Agreed. [8D]. By the way sorry to have reposted the earlier post I sent you. I first though you didn't reply because I may have offended you with a PM. Some people don't like direct PM's. I guess I was wrong. Thank you again.[sm=shades_smile.gif]

Also After I ran the washer as described earler, I realized that it wasn't necessary as the steel screw and spacer were enough and the washer was just overkill. Good call

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing


Make sure you put some Loctite on the crank snout screw and crank it down as tight as you can. In the hustle and bustle of slapping my truck together last night, I forgot to put Loctite on mine. It was cranked down tight (that I can remember), but that wasn't enough. Long story short, today I was out messing around with the truck and all of the sudden it made this grinding/shriek-not good. I pop the body off and low and behold the snout screw was long gone as were the front CB bearing and spacer. When the CB walked forward it took out the aluminum shoes and the teeth on the spur and CB ate each other a little. Needless to say that little bit of Loctite cost me about $95 in parts. [&:]

ORIGINAL: gravediggerracing

It was awesome up until that point. You're really going to love that Axial. Between it and the tires I'm using, it will throw major roost, even with tall 17/47 gearing. On hard throttle, even when not wheeling, it always appears that the front tires are just barely making contact with the ground.[8D]

ORIGINAL: phoenix_stu

Yeah, I can't wait to get it. I should of had it at the beginning of the week but can you beleive that UPS is shut down for a week and won't deliver it until Monday because of some week long holiday here in Japan. BLAH. I have never heard of UPS not delivering. Go figure []