cummins driver

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My savage will run 20 minutes on a tank. A quart of fuel only costs $10 and will fill the tank several times. As for the second part of your post. I have no idea what you are talking about? Internal combustion engines arent exactly in the past. Electric is only useful in these small r/c's. Since internal combustion engines power the real world and not just hobby stuff, then i dont really figure im living in the past if that is what you are getting at.

Access

My posts have never discussed the technicalities of nitro in-depth, nor do I wish to. All I'm doing is correcting people when they say something about electric that is not true today. That IC engines are prevalent outside the hobby doesn't really matter, that is really beyond the scope of this discussion. That would be like me comparing paintball markers to real, actual guns.

And the second part of my post was more philosophical. Basically the hobby has always existed with 'divides', racers vs. bashers, buggies vs. trucks, nitro vs. electric, etc. Then you have divides within divides, ie. all the different types of racers (oval, on-road, off-road, other, etc.) Now if the point of the hobby is to run and enjoy yourself, you can be on either side of that divide and still have pleanty of fun. In other words, you can still 'win'.

So if you can be on either side, and still have fun or 'win' in the hobby, how can you 'lose'? My answer would be, stuff like this. You can be out there doing stuff. Or you can be sitting down at a computer trying to convince yourself in front of the rest of the forum that the side you chose is the only side, the most masculine side, the best side, the most reasonable / logical side, the side anyone with any balls or a brain is on, etc. That is how you can 'lose', not the only way mind you, but a way.

On a personal note I personally saw two nitros do post- 100mph speeds this last weekend. But then so were the stock electrics. So don't say I have no appreciation for nitro or the people who run nitro. If I wanted to screw the nitro guys irl, I wouldn't have captured those runs.

cummins driver

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What did i say about electric that is not true?

One thing i find funny anymore is that as soon as people here electric, they are always assuming lipo and brushless is what the discussion is about. I bet half the people out running electric are still using brushed motors. As for real vehicles having nothing to do with this hobby. It has everything to do with it to me. Almost everything on my savage is a scaled down slightly different design of what is on my real truck. That is one of the main things i love about this hobby is how it is so realistic just like a real vehicle.

I really dont care what someone has fun with. I hope everyone enjoys whatever they run. I was just stating what he said was wrong, because you can easily run a nitro for as long as you can an electric vehicle. Bring it in for a 15 second fuel stop and take it back out. An electric, you almost always have to take the body off, take out the batteries, put new ones in, put the body back on, and put the batteries back on the charger. Obviously if you have enough batteries and chargers you can run all day but you still have to be close to a power source and your vehicles battery only lasts so long doing that.

Eric

savagecommander

like i said before, some ppl just arent cut out for it. how ever you want to slice it, ppl will always argue which is better. i say, as long as its fun, WHO CARES?

savagecommander

its diploma, BTW..... so much for your point eh?

ThunderbirdJunkie

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Sure is can't spell pointless arguing in here...

MetallicaJunkie

nope

Access

This: "As for your batteries lasting longer than fuel. Whatever. If you have unlimited battery packs you can run as long as a nitro, but most people arent millionaire's."

In truth you said it in your post above. You need maybe 3 LiPos to run all day. Unless you are walking to your track / bashing area, you are probably getting there with a rl vehicle so you probably have a 12V power source. As for being a millionaire, 3 Lipos might run you $200. or less. Granted for a monster truck, it might be 3 sets which would be $300. And you don't need to be a millionaire to afford that.

This thread was never supposed to be anything about the specifics of electric.

Mopar Or Nocar

I'm not scared of nitro engines, I'm more "worried" about breaking parts than scared of the engine.

worstluck

ha ha too funny. my nitro buggy runs on lipos, how ya like them apples. the better driver always wins, and if your not racing what does it matter what you run.

cloudancer03

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the only time I was ever scared was when I was about 7 or 8 years old but eventually got over that fear and joined.I am still nerous abous with gassers especially spring startes which thankfully I dont use!what scares me are the nuts who refuse to use a starter and try to cut a finger off.I shudder when I watch a certain club member hunched over his plane starting it up with no concern about his body parts or his loose clothing hanging very near a a screaming engine.last summer I was experiencing an engine issue when he inflicted himself on me and tried to help.making a long story short he removed the 18 inch prop from my engine and once done re-installed it.a fellow modeller said to him "sure its on tight?" oh yeah he replied.with that he forged ahead and started the engine and the prop and spinner all went flying nailing him in the belly.fortnuately he only got a large hematoma.as good a friend as is is I said right there and then "you will never touch another engine of mine !I was sick to think he could have had his stomach ripped open.

and recently a new recruit not fearing or respecting the power of these engines accidently put his hand into a turning propand off to the ER we went.

no I am not afraid of the nitro motor but I RESPECT the immense power they have and the injuries they can cause.and watching flyers can a plane or straddling a 150 cc engine and flipping a prop barehanded innocently scare me.I've seen the damage and blood .

rast4man

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Wow this discussion took a turn. Really, who cares!? If you enjoy nitro, then enjoy it. If you prefer electric, then by all means, enjoy that too.

The OP simply asked "Are you scared of nitro?" I don't believe he stated "Please go into a philosophical debate about my topic."

And finally, in the words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along!"

melonpeel

I enjoy electric for the convenience, and nitro for the realism.

ElectricGuy007

Ok that's it I'm gonna say something positive about both of them.
Nitro can run for hours, if you keep putting fuel in it. Of course you do need a temp gun handy to monitor temp.
The negative part is fuel is expensive a gallon might last a you month or so, some people might go thru a gallon a week.
It will add up over time buying fuel over and over again.
A battery has charge, run, charge, run... Ive got batteries Ive had for years that work just fine and still hold a charge.
Lipo is expensive as well, because you never know when it will puff up. Sometimes it happens when you least expect it to happen.
A Lipo cannot be overcharged, discharged, or charged in the vechicle(I never would if I had a lipo seen way to many accidents happen).
As running the vechicle with a lipo until it comes to a dead stop ISNT A GOOD IDEA, ive seen them puff up like that as well.

Just for the record Lipo scares me more than nitro engines do, they are practically harmless, cause most people know what they are doing.

This is coming from an electric only guy. I have no nitros.

Access

BTW there was a catastrophic LiPo failure at the ISC USR 2009 but I found it to be rather underwhelming. Just a lot of foul-smelling smoke, no visible flames, jets of fire, explosions, or anything like that which you see on the youtube vids. I know the induced failures for LiPo look bad, but non-induced / unintentional catastrophic failures often aren't.

happywing

I started out with electric and moved to nitro to race with the big-boys. I'm not bad at tuning, but the overall hassle made my relaxing hobby a little bit stressful. Now with the state of 1/8 electric, I am back to e-power AND racing with the big-boys. It's the best of both worlds.

cuzican

Nitro is what I started with in this hobby. I have electric, nitro, and gasoline rc vehicles and I like them all for different reasons. I'm not scared of tuning nitro....nor am I scared to break stuff like a few others have mentioned. When I run my stuff, it breaks 90% of the time. That has nothing to do with my tuning abilities or the durability of whatever brand vehicle I'm running at the time. I am HARD on my stuff. I have a "monster jam" kind of mentality. I am a basher through and through and when I run I like to get flat crazy with my stuff. I don't buy it to pretty it up and set it on a shelf because I'm afraid to damage it. I run it till it dies, then replace or rebuild with stronger parts until it stops breaking. This hobby is a blast no matter whether you run electric or nitro because I can trash on my RC stuff the way I dream of being able to rip up 1:1 vehicles without going broke.

Steve Landron

I’m not scared of Nitro at all, in many ways I prefer it to my electrics. I do however respect both my Nitro’s and electrics especially while running, It’s hard not to respect an 1.2ci Nitro engine spinning an 18� prop at 8,000 RPM, inches away from your hand etc. (I’ve been nicked once or twice in the past 25 years).

I use both Nitro and Electrics on a regular basis with my Helos. I tend to respect/fear Electric allot more than Nitro due to the fact that I have never had a Nitro engine come to life when it's not started. Had an electric start up instantaneously once when the throttle channel was reversed, not fun. Now when building any electric model, I always leave one power lead disconnected to the motor and once I'm sure everything is hooked up properly, I test it with all of the blades are removed.

On an added note regarding Nitro’s/Electrics, I have never had a Nitro engine come to life once the transmitter was shut off, made that mistake once with my electrics, once. Never again.

My Nitro’s give me great duration (run time), quick refills and back flying again, while my electrics are great for a quick, quiet fix with-out all the mess and the noise.

Steve

[8D]

rcnitrohead

Why do a couple morons have to turn this into a nitro V electric debate? Cmon guys, were all adults here.... - actually wait, I forget sometimes RCU is full of pre-pubescent kids ...

ANYWAYS back on topic

Sure, when I got into the hobby at the age of 12- the most intimidating part for me was breaking in my first engine... Another time I actually scared myself, when I installed a crappy failsafe on my Savage 25, which shorted out my radio system and made the truck go WOT in my hand when I picked it up- that was fun ...

Other than that, its been a pleasant experience overall. When my gear is set up properly, and runs- its a pleasure getting out with someone/ a few ppl and doing some bashing at a good site, as well as making some kick @$$ vids to show off our skillz in the dirt/sand.



*Good idea for a thread Cummins*

Steve Landron

Why do a couple morons have to turn this into a nitro V electric debate? Cmon guys, were all adults here.... - actually wait, I forget sometimes RCU is full of pre-pubescent kids ...

Wow.

rcnitrohead

^ No need for the emails Steve, you can just say it on the forums...

No, I don't have all the answers.. I was only directing that towards those who chose to go off topic for a page regarding nitro and electric.. Check out the pg before you posted.. Morons may have been the wrong word, but you'll get the idea when you actually read through the thread... Got a problem? Drink a beer and get over it.

rcslsafut

i WAS scared of nitro,as my first experiance with nitro was the pro .15 traxxas engine. [talk about a piece of hud] but then i got a used rc10gt with a os .15 cvr and i was in heaven.
had no more tuning usues ran like a top, smoked the tires off that little truck. started with electric cause i WAS scared of nitro ,once i got a real one i have never looked back.
now i have four nitros and i love them all .. the hardest decision a have now is, which one to drive!!!!!!!! youtube helped me learn how to tune alot!

cummins driver

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Lets keep it on track guys. I know its easy to veer off(i do it all the time), but I think this thread might help some people getting into the hobby decide nitro isnt as hard to deal with as it sometimes sounds just by reading posts.

I think almost everyone has been intimidated by nitro engines at least when they first started into the hobby, especially if you are on a small budget like a lot of people are. I was going to be extremely cautious breaking in my first nitro. I can remember it pretty well. I read up on the break in process, and was going to take it easy and tune slowly. Unfortunately, tower hobbies horrible build quality on my Nitro St-15 stadium truck kept me from having a good first experience with nitro. It has all worked out well now, but i can think of plenty of times that engine made me want to just give up. The first good nitro engine i had actually came to me used, and i had to take it apart and clean it up before i could run it, but it ran like a top once i did that, and that is one of the main reasons im not so scared of used nitro engines like i used to be. Obviously you can buy bad ones, but I have bought at least 4 or 5 and not had one that has given me a real problem.

Also, maybe im an oddball, but i love breaking in a nitro engine. Putting some oil in the cylinder and working it in, and then starting it for the first time and slowly running it through a few tanks. Then starting to run it a little harder and lean it slightly and watching it come to life and start making power is a lot of fun to me[8D]

mike31

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If some of you out there grew up thru the 60's you would know that tuning any fuel operated engine gets tuned by sound and touch. At least that's the way most were accustomed to doing things. I realize nitro engines can be a challange at times but as humans we are smarter than the piece of machinery in front of us. The old saying goes. If it don't go, chrome it.

tony0707

hi i am way more worried about burning my house down with lipo batteries than i am about running glo enginesthey are an item that has a learning curve-and a lot of people will damage there first one because of thatthe head leaking air and being loose is one of the WORST PROBLEM to identify without glo experienceany air getting into a glo engine will cause the RPMS to rise unexpectidly- AND THE NEEDLE VALVE is not working the way it did before (may need to be richer -than the setting it always ran at before )- that is your first sign of a leak-that will cause very excessive heat that will damage the aluminum as the HEAT breaks down the oil in the fuel-preventing any good lubrication-so you must identify that as soon as is possiblesame effect as running very lean-which in fact it isif you use a tach and check you RPMS -before every day you fly-you will find the air leak quicklybe it a hole in your fuel tubing - (happens a lot ) a loose carb- or a loose head glo engines need a click or two on the needle valve -when ever the weather changes in degrees or humidity-BE WATCHING FOR THAT UNEXPECTED SURGE IN RPM'S -as that is your WARNING SIGN this is one of the BEST POSSIBLE TIPS anyone can give you regarding running a glo engine ! -BEEN HANDLING GLO ENGINES FOR 25 YEARSENJOY REGARDS TONY "the omega man " think pink !!