FLYBOY

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I am building a 27% edge and those are my two options. Haven't ever run either. Which would be a better choice on the bird. Both will pull it fine I know. Would the gas or glow be more interesting and fun on that bird? I don't know much about either engine at this point. Any advice would be awsome. Thanks.

Geistware

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I would use the DA50, the cost per gallon of fuel and the amount of fuel needed for a 10 minute flight would both may me consider the DA50.

3D Joy

One of these motors on a 72" plane ??? Maybe too much power and too much weight ?? Maybe a 160FX or a Moki 180 but more than that is asking for troubble.

DKjens

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3D Joy,
He said 27%, not 72". This is really a no brainer, if money is no object, the DA50R. I had the mvvs2.15gas (35 cc) on an 80" Cap and it had unlimited vertical. Many of us are putting DA50R on the new WildHare 28%Edge540T. You will really enjoy the cleanliness and reliability of gas compared to glow.
DKjens

3D Joy

I know he said 27% but does'nt a 27% Giles compute to 72" wingspan? 1 to 1 scale Giles are rather small compared to Edges and Extras.

DKjens

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Maybe a 27%Giles comes out to 72", but where do you get Giles from, he wrote Edge, which is larger than Giles.
DKjens

deputydog

The moki WILL take awhile to get it flyable. It will take at least 5 gallons to break in and even then wont be. Not knocking the moki, they are great and last forever but I found was adjusting it every flight for the first 5 gallons.
The DA on the other hand is fuel it and fly. Break it in airborne. An occasional tweak of the low end but no flameouts! Also the DA can be used in larger planes later. The DA is going to turn a bigger prop. 22x10 breakin and 24x8 standard.

FLYBOY

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Thanks guys. I appreciate it. I was leaning toward the DA because my other gas engines aren't big enough for this bird, but haven't run them. I will order the DA. I have friends flying the same plane with both of these engines and both fly the plane great, but I would prefer gas on this one. Cost of the DA is a little more than double, but I think it will be worth it. Sounds like a good engine. I have heard nothing but good about DA engines so I will give it a try.

Thanks for the advice guys.

3D Joy

OUPS I was badly wrong here, sorry. I don't know either where I got that it was a Giles. Then these motors will pull just fine.

Flyfalcons

Go gas and never look back. You made the right choice [8D]

FLYBOY

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Been flying both for many years. I like them both. Fly more glow though.

bdtsr

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I have a Moki 2.10 in my Midwest Extra, 3 flights and it sucks down 1/2 a gallon. I just ordered a case of Mach 7 (5%) for it. That won't last that long though. The way this thing sucks fuel, you almost have to take out a loan to fly it! I don't think the fuel economy on my twin 120hp outboards is this bad (of course they are being replaced with a single 225hp now).

Flyfalcons

Go to my website and check out the vid of my Midwest Extra with a Brison 3.2. A full day of flying with that performance and I just spent maybe a dollar worth of gas

bdtsr

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OK OK rub it in!

FLYBOY

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Man Ryan, is that the 72 inch? When I built mine I wanted to put gas in it so bad and everyone told me not to, that it would fly bad. Really wish I had. I hate that plane with the saito in it. Just sux to fly. Never had a plane that I didn't enjoy flying till that one. Maybe I should convert it?

boogalloo

hehehehe....

Pay no attention to the Brison comparison.....The DA will stomp the Brison hands down any day...

BobH

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Have you had both engines to do a side to side comparrison test on?.. Just wondering.. BobH.

Flyfalcons

BobH, which two engines are you referring to? I had a Moki 1.8 on my DP Extra and now JohnVH owns the plane with a Brison 3.2 and it performs so much better. Landing speed is just a little faster but you can use a Zinger 22-8 as a real speed brake. In fact when John tried this for the first time, he underestimated how much power is required to keep a flying speed - a couple feet above the runway, he chopped power to idle and the plane dropped hard enough to bend the gear and busted the prop. Twenty dollar mistake, but understandable since the 20x10 props weren't slowing the plane down as well. I use a Zinger 22-8 on my Midwest and come in with five clicks of throttle, slowly pulling the power back with the wheels just a few inches up for a smooth landing. The landing in the vid wasn't one of my smoothest. You can tell that I didn't use enough power and the plane was a little too slow for a nice flare. As far as comparing the Brison to the DA, I'm sure the DA will do equally as well or better, simply from being a newer design. However, I paid $450 for my Brison, used with muffler and ignition. Try finding a used DA for that amount. I love my DA-100 and think they are a great company, and fortunately there are many great 50cc engine choices on the market now. I have no regrets about getting the Brison and wouldn't hesitate to get another.

Flyboy, that plane is the Midwest 80" Extra 300SX - it exceeded all my performance expectations.

FLYBOY

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Thanks ryan. I couldn't get the video to load for what ever reason. Mine is the 72 inch version G-202 from midwest, but I don't like the engine. May have to change it at some point. The new edge will be much better. Looking forward to it. So far, just have the fuse framed up. Worked on it one day for a couple hours after surgery, but building with one hand sux, and it is not the hand I am used to using. Will have to wait till I get the other unwrapped to get back on the project. Should be a fun plane.

Flyfalcons

You may need the latest version of Windows Media Player to get the video to work. You can update your version for free at the Microsoft site.

Boomstriker

You guy's are forgetting about the huge cleanup as another disadvantage to using that big Moki 2s.

Go with the DA.

Kirk

BobH

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flyfalcons, i was referring to the comparrison between the DA and the Brison. I suspect that the Sachs based 3.2's are still a pretty strong engine even compared to the newer 50cc designs. Maybe not quite as strong but plenty respectable.. BobH.

boogalloo

BobH,

I assume you may be referring to the ever so popular testing stands?? No, didn't see any need for all that. My opinion comes from direct flight performance on identical airplanes.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_12...tm.htm#1273806

BobH

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Not sure I understand the reference to "testing stands"..? I was only talking about a 3.2 sachs based engie compared to some other 50cc makes.. BobH.

bladebender

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HAD 3 MOKIS 135, 210, 210 GO GAS YOU WILL LOVE IT JUST BOUGHT A ZDZ 50 NG WHEN I FLEW MOKIS I WAS BYING GLOW FUEL 3 CASE AT A TIME