Jet Smoke system
03-10-2004, 11:18 AM
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Jet Smoke system
Would it be possible to use one of the TME smoke sytems combined Tam's stainless steel smoke injectors to add a smoke system to my T-750? I am thinking of using the front tank on my Skymaster F-15 for smoke tank and add one the TME smoke pumps. I have used these before on the gas burners but never on a turbine. The pump has a great deal of pressure and should work fine. Can some of the experts give me a hand here?
Tommy
Tommy
03-10-2004, 12:58 PM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
yes you can with no problems ... I am personally looking at gettig a slimline skywriter pump on my next smoke set up .. it has an enclosed battery and i believe it is also proportional (i could be wrong .. ) of course, im using the Tam injector nozles ...
I have 2 of tams pumped systems and they are great also, but i do think the slimline will be just as good, .... i also have an older presurized system i got from Tam that works with an old powermax container and an air tank, and that is still as good as the pumped ones ...
Wojtek
I have 2 of tams pumped systems and they are great also, but i do think the slimline will be just as good, .... i also have an older presurized system i got from Tam that works with an old powermax container and an air tank, and that is still as good as the pumped ones ...
Wojtek
03-10-2004, 01:50 PM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
I use regular smoke fluid, it actually works best .. i believe you can also mix it with diesel oil for more economical use ... im currently trying to get my smoke colored, and am going to try using fabric dye in the oil .. i have heard before that this actually works ....
these 2 videos show smoke with a a air presurized smoke system, using the tam nozel, and dri smoke oil i get from tower hobbies ....
http://www.scalerchelis.com/albums/albun33/takeoffs.wmv
http://www.scalerchelis.com/albums/albun33/flight1.wmv
anyone have other ideas on how to color the smoke up ? like red ? blue ? black would be nice for scale !
Wojtek
these 2 videos show smoke with a a air presurized smoke system, using the tam nozel, and dri smoke oil i get from tower hobbies ....
http://www.scalerchelis.com/albums/albun33/takeoffs.wmv
http://www.scalerchelis.com/albums/albun33/flight1.wmv
anyone have other ideas on how to color the smoke up ? like red ? blue ? black would be nice for scale !
Wojtek
03-10-2004, 02:44 PM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
You cannot color smoke. There is a whole wright up on this in a full size arobatic page somewhere.
I have tried it many times with my fogjuice I make. All I get is white smoke and mess of dye on the floor.
I think it was the thunderbirds that at one time had a color smoke show, although all it was, was dyed fuel being pumped out raw. This only happened a few times before they were forced to stop.
Other jets having colored smoke are either using chemical smoke flares or are just ejecting colored fluid.
I have tried it many times with my fogjuice I make. All I get is white smoke and mess of dye on the floor.
I think it was the thunderbirds that at one time had a color smoke show, although all it was, was dyed fuel being pumped out raw. This only happened a few times before they were forced to stop.
Other jets having colored smoke are either using chemical smoke flares or are just ejecting colored fluid.
03-10-2004, 04:52 PM
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You cannot color smoke.
You cannot color smoke.
You could try In the States Morton Thikol Chemical division, 2 North Riverside Place, Chicago.
] . ..... i do however now have a nicely stained smoke container 
03-10-2004, 05:22 PM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
From MDW site:
"I'll also tell you that colored smoke for our engines is not possible. When you see colored smoke from the full scale birds, it's likely from a flare of some type, or an injection of certain metal powders into the engine exhaust. Beware of those who attempt to sell you “color smokeâ€. The dye in the oil may damage your plane or your skin … but you’ll still get only white smoke."
From the acrobatic forum:
"It appears a few decades ago the Blue Angels, when flying the F9F Panther, decided to add fuel dye to their wing tip tanks. Then all they did was dump fuel. This lasted one performance or so until it became apparent that the cars and spectators received a light hard-to-cleanoff dusting of the fine spray. They then reverted to motor oil pumped directly to the exhaust pipe creating the now familiar white smoke.
The two other Euro teams mentioned above added a dye to the smoke oil itself. Evidently everything the clouds of smoke enveloped caused it to suddenly be tinged with the very same color. I believe this became apparent at the Moffett Airshow in Calif. a few years ago. I know that the two teams were asked to refrain from using it for "environmental" purposes. Again I believe the environment that was being refereed to was the spectators and equipment on or near the flight line.
The Blues have kept with basic white smoke for the same reason."
"The colored smoke you occasionally see comes from pyrotechnic cannisters and spraying dye with the oil rather than from smoke oil. Smoke oil is heat vaporized oil particles and I don't think there is any way to effectively color it."
"I'll also tell you that colored smoke for our engines is not possible. When you see colored smoke from the full scale birds, it's likely from a flare of some type, or an injection of certain metal powders into the engine exhaust. Beware of those who attempt to sell you “color smokeâ€. The dye in the oil may damage your plane or your skin … but you’ll still get only white smoke."
From the acrobatic forum:
"It appears a few decades ago the Blue Angels, when flying the F9F Panther, decided to add fuel dye to their wing tip tanks. Then all they did was dump fuel. This lasted one performance or so until it became apparent that the cars and spectators received a light hard-to-cleanoff dusting of the fine spray. They then reverted to motor oil pumped directly to the exhaust pipe creating the now familiar white smoke.
The two other Euro teams mentioned above added a dye to the smoke oil itself. Evidently everything the clouds of smoke enveloped caused it to suddenly be tinged with the very same color. I believe this became apparent at the Moffett Airshow in Calif. a few years ago. I know that the two teams were asked to refrain from using it for "environmental" purposes. Again I believe the environment that was being refereed to was the spectators and equipment on or near the flight line.
The Blues have kept with basic white smoke for the same reason."
"The colored smoke you occasionally see comes from pyrotechnic cannisters and spraying dye with the oil rather than from smoke oil. Smoke oil is heat vaporized oil particles and I don't think there is any way to effectively color it."
03-11-2004, 12:01 AM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
Doc,
I used the exact same setup you described in your post, except that I kept the front header tank as it was desgned and added a pair of hayes 16oz tanks forward of the front wing spar formers. works great and provides plenty of smoke fluid for 7 minute flight. Although guys are flying without the front tank, I'm flying a P-120 powered Eagle @ 7:30 from brakes release and landing with aprox 1/2 header remaining. so, just a heads up to monitor your flight time.
good luck
buck
I used the exact same setup you described in your post, except that I kept the front header tank as it was desgned and added a pair of hayes 16oz tanks forward of the front wing spar formers. works great and provides plenty of smoke fluid for 7 minute flight. Although guys are flying without the front tank, I'm flying a P-120 powered Eagle @ 7:30 from brakes release and landing with aprox 1/2 header remaining. so, just a heads up to monitor your flight time.
good luck
buck
03-11-2004, 08:28 AM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
Yeah Buck I knew that would be a problem. Mine is powered with a T-750 which is not necessarily fuel effecient, but I don't think I would be flying at full throttle most of time anyways. Yours sounds like a better idea, but I was concerned about adding too much more weight to it until it gets some flight time and gets "acquainted"with me.
Tommy
Tommy
03-11-2004, 09:42 AM
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RE: Jet Smoke system
Doc,
I fly @ 1/2 throttle for nearly all portions of the flight. 6-8 seconds of full throttle for the up lines on vertical maneuvers and take off are the only times I use full throttle. the plane is fairly slick and grooves along nicely at 1/2 throttle.
my AUW is 22 lbs with the above set up but the plane flies like it's much lighter.
off to Tucson
c'ya
buck
I fly @ 1/2 throttle for nearly all portions of the flight. 6-8 seconds of full throttle for the up lines on vertical maneuvers and take off are the only times I use full throttle. the plane is fairly slick and grooves along nicely at 1/2 throttle.
my AUW is 22 lbs with the above set up but the plane flies like it's much lighter.
off to Tucson
c'ya
buck
