ghonduriun

hey guys what do you think is best deep v or a cat
in ruff condition and is faster which one do you reccomend

munro1656

in rough conditions I would say deep v will handle a lot better

nvs motorsports

It would depend on the design an dead rise of the hull of both cat or mono
A seducer would be crap in rough but a apache would be awesome in the monos
A sprint cat would be awful in rough but mhz, sonics, mti express would do well
So pretty even depending on set up an hull choice i reckon

GRANT ED

As NVS has said. It depends on the hull. Some V's are better than cats. Some cat's are better than V's. It depends on what you want to use if for. I'll guess and say sport running and not racing. Am I right? Whats your budget?

martno1fan

I think he said deep vee and a deep vee will handle rough water admitedly some better than others but the deeper the vee and the more freeboard the better for rough water in my opinion,a shallow vee which is what most seem to race with will not handle rough water very well if at all.Some of the hulls i see called deep vees are not theyre more a shallow vee in my book.A rough water cat isnt something you see every day and to get one your talking big and lots of $$$$ generally speaking.I have a stepped vee that has a very deep vee and although shes only 46" long she loves the rough stuff.
Mart

Justaddwata

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It is going to depend in part on what you call rough conditions.

One generalization is that a bigger hull (60-70") will make rough stuff smaller. It will have a better chance of running faster than a like hull that is of smaller scale.

Critical if you are looking at rough water is the boats weight balance. If it is nose heavy or transom heavy you will have a much harder time driving and maintaining control.

Also important to not overlook a good amount of floatation in the hull (and hatch). The more floatation in the hull - the less water that will fill it - and the easier time you will have recovering the boat in those rough conditions.

Also worth noting that windy conditions will make controling the boat challenging. Last time I tried to run a smaller vee in some white caps it was just too windy to keep the nose of the boat pointed into the wind. Crest a wave and the nose would get pushed around and she was headed back to shore. It was fun trying though. My boat was light though, and certainly not an ideal choice for those conditions - realistically even my inflatable recovery boat would have a tough time of it.

madphil

from what i have seen a v is the best allrounder you can use in most conditions , and speed wise you can be as fast as a cat on the straights but much faster round turns with a v if you have powerfull motor .

phil.

martno1fan

Matt made a great point about balance and weight,i find a heavier boat much better in rough water.The offshore guys here sometimes add weight up front when its rough just to keep the nose down when the winds blowing.Usually a tad down angle on the prop works well too when its rough.I agree with Phil too for a good all rounder go for a deep vee with some decent freeboard and you will have a decent rough water boat that will handle choppy conditions.Believe me though 6" chop is very rough conditions to a model boat travelling at speeds over 45mph ,anything more than that and you will have a very hard time keeping the boat on the water.Heres a race from last year in such conditions that i watched and i think every boat in that race flipped at least once and some more than twice lol.You will see in the video some of them could have done with a bit of ballast up front on day two especially.
Mart
heres the vid first day was choppy enough second was just crazy [X(]
[link]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HI2dGXk1FYg[/link]

mowerman88

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wow great vid now that is rough water racing

soundguykaraoke50

mart,this was over on the dark side,nice video.looks a lot like the rio?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=meGSb7bdhsI

martno1fan

Dark side lol ,thats my mate Tonys boat im pretty sure its called a pacer but i dont know who builds it .I believe he has plans to stick a 35 cc motor in there so i would think its a big boat.I think it has a rcmk 26 in there in that vid,looks pretty dam good too should fly with a 35 in it.He sent me that vid a while back and i posted it yesterday on another thread.
Mart

martno1fan

heres another version of the vid in slowmotion.

[link]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DHR0vH7q_ms&feature=related[/link]

ghonduriun

so guys what will you go for mhz apache 60 or
aeromarine apache 57 for am looking to build a setup whit
two full mod zens

martno1fan

Aeromarine as ive heard bad things about mhz usa.you dont need two modded zenoahs in it just one will do ,doubt youd get two in there but i could be wrong only way you might is inlines.One fully modded zenoah will push a 56 to close to 60 mph which is about all they can handle.
Mart

jacob711

actually there was an apache 57 i saw recently on 'the dock' and it had to zenoahs side by side

ghonduriun

iam looking for speed can you help me whit what i should buy

rcboateric

For the speed, I'd go for the 45" Insane Gen2 or a 3 mono and AM Sprint 41" cat.

ghonduriun

sorry i ment what can you give me advice to buy for an aeromarine apache 57
to get it up to speeds my goal is to hit 60mph

rcboateric

No problem, to move that thing into 60mph isn't easy, you'll need lots of $$$ to hit that number..lol

ghonduriun

thats no problem,but i want to keep it simple

nvs motorsports

Get the apache you can easily put twins side by side in it plus a fridge heaps of room in them
As for twins and keep it simple your kidding this setup is not simple you got a lot of things to consider harmonics, good radio,twin rails to mount engines , extra hardware and extra weight
and honestly twins are not a whole lot fater than a good modified single and if you go single quickdraw it will be better an cheaper than twin zenoahs

Justaddwata

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I would start with a full mod zenoah like Mart recommended earlier. It will give you speeds nearing your goal. Further to that - if you intend on running in the rough - you will be flipping the boat. Much easier getting one motor restarted after a dunking than a pair.
This thought crossed my mind today after flipping a smaller vee while bouncing a few waves. Holding the boat upside down while you clear her of water will be enough fun with one zenoah in the 56 Aeromarine - if it is a twin you will have your work cut out for you..

While twins are great - the work and espense involved is hardly worth it.

K.I.S.S. Single mod zenoah

soundguykaraoke50

if you want simple,go with the single motor.half the trouble of twins and just as much fun.plus setup is loads easier.the aeromarine is a great rough water hull,very forgiving if running in a choppy seas.60mph is hard to do with a rough water.if you can get her to 40-50mph you are going to have your hands full just trying to run her around.
bigger is beter for the choppy water,but that's just my opinion.

ghonduriun

so if bigger is better which boat do you think i should buy

martno1fan

The Apache is probably the best rough water boat going thats why they have been arround so long i guess,with a good full mod motor you can see high 50s maybe close to 60 mph and twins wont be much faster in my opinion what you have to remember is two motors is also twice the weight.You wont be driving at 60 in rough water though thats for sure .
Mart