F-16 off the end of runway at Oshkosh.
08-07-2011, 06:06 AM
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RE: F-16 off the end of runway at Oshkosh.
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I HIGHLY doubt the EPU was activated (we avoid using the word fired 'cause ATC kinda freaks out!). NO ONE would want to be close to that thing if it was running. Maybe it activated as the motor rolled back. Usually the dual gen fail is what activates it when the motor ****s the bed since the windmilling motor will keep the hyd above 1k
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I HIGHLY doubt the EPU was activated (we avoid using the word fired 'cause ATC kinda freaks out!). NO ONE would want to be close to that thing if it was running. Maybe it activated as the motor rolled back. Usually the dual gen fail is what activates it when the motor ****s the bed since the windmilling motor will keep the hyd above 1k
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08-07-2011, 06:07 AM
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RE: F-16 off the end of runway at Oshkosh.
Or that the firefighters knew enough about the F-16 to be wary of the EPU. Most airport fire personnel are aware of the Hydrazine threat. If the EPU hadnt been activated prior to touchdown, I doubt it would have been after touchdown. Just an opinion.
08-07-2011, 06:33 AM
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RE: F-16 off the end of runway at Oshkosh.
The pod on the centerline is the ALQ-188 electronic countermeasures pod. It's not a go-to-war pod, it's for A/A training only and so you rarely see them.
We fly with them 100% of the time in the Gomers as that is one of the best areas of instruction that we bring out. The Aggressors are a professional adversary force, fully integrated with air, ground, etc...not just red air. The ACMI pod sits on the left wingtip. Sorry for the plug!
The EPU could have been running if the throttle was idle or above and both generators fell off line, or both hyd systems dropped low. Anyone smell ammonia?
Dave
We fly with them 100% of the time in the Gomers as that is one of the best areas of instruction that we bring out. The Aggressors are a professional adversary force, fully integrated with air, ground, etc...not just red air. The ACMI pod sits on the left wingtip. Sorry for the plug!
The EPU could have been running if the throttle was idle or above and both generators fell off line, or both hyd systems dropped low. Anyone smell ammonia?
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08-07-2011, 07:59 AM
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RE: F-16 off the end of runway at Oshkosh.
They used to tell us"one whiff, and you're dead". Then they told us it would smell like ammonia. Now this made me think, as the guy that was inhaling it, fall to the ground saying " it smells liek amonia"? I think I would have been saying something more like "you sonny beaches!"
So after the fear that was put into us, when I went to GD, we went to see where they worked with the Hydrazine, a building surrounded with grass berms, the place was a bunker. A guy took us over to a 55 gal drum, twisted the cap off and said, "see this liquid? Thats Hydrazine". I dont know anyone that ever first hand had any experience with an EPU firing or Hydrazine exhaust. I dont know if the pilot initiated engine shut down or if the engine just stopped rotating. I would bet the pilot did an emergency shut down, maybe not.
I didnt realize the ECM pod was used for that purpose. I have seen a few NAVY agressor F-16Ns, but dont believe they used them either.
Denny
So after the fear that was put into us, when I went to GD, we went to see where they worked with the Hydrazine, a building surrounded with grass berms, the place was a bunker. A guy took us over to a 55 gal drum, twisted the cap off and said, "see this liquid? Thats Hydrazine". I dont know anyone that ever first hand had any experience with an EPU firing or Hydrazine exhaust. I dont know if the pilot initiated engine shut down or if the engine just stopped rotating. I would bet the pilot did an emergency shut down, maybe not.
I didnt realize the ECM pod was used for that purpose. I have seen a few NAVY agressor F-16Ns, but dont believe they used them either.
Denny
