Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
05-08-2012, 09:30 AM
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Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Ok so this will be interesting, Ultra Lightning w/JetCat p-240.
The P-240 is identical in size as the P-200 but puts out 58Lbs of thrust and has special ECU settings.
I will be using all 3 (total of 6.3 Liters of fuel) of the UL tanks as at full power the P-240 can sip up 30oz/min.
For servos I will be going with tried and true 7955 TG all the way around (May go with 7950 on the rudder)
Any build tips would be nice, I'm start on the left wing today and will post pics as I go along.
The P-240 is identical in size as the P-200 but puts out 58Lbs of thrust and has special ECU settings.
I will be using all 3 (total of 6.3 Liters of fuel) of the UL tanks as at full power the P-240 can sip up 30oz/min.
For servos I will be going with tried and true 7955 TG all the way around (May go with 7950 on the rudder)
Any build tips would be nice, I'm start on the left wing today and will post pics as I go along.
05-08-2012, 09:40 AM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Why stop there, a B300F is the same size as the P200 (and therefor the P240) but with 300N of thrust minimum, thats around 67-68 lbs of thrust 
Joking aside is the airframe up to this sort of power?
marcs
Joking aside is the airframe up to this sort of power?
marcs
05-08-2012, 10:50 AM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
ORIGINAL: basimpsn
Very nice Is it the same size and weigh as the P200?, What the Max Rpm ?
Very nice
Is it the same size and weigh as the P200?, What the Max Rpm ?
thats a good question, I don't know. This turbine is actually designed for military / drone use its not available to public regularly so they don't have posted specs. THE PRICE is actually very nice, still crazy high but I was surprised.
I will fire up the ECU and it will let me know what the max RPM is once I have the turbo on a test stand, but its set to 58LBS thrust.
Main differences are:
Larger compressor wheel, bigger combustion chamber. Amazing still can use the smally fuel pump as the p-200
05-09-2012, 05:43 AM
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ORIGINAL: marc s
Why stop there, a B300F is the same size as the P200 (and therefor the P240) but with 300N of thrust minimum, thats around 67-68 lbs of thrust
Joking aside is the airframe up to this sort of power?
marcs
Why stop there, a B300F is the same size as the P200 (and therefor the P240) but with 300N of thrust minimum, thats around 67-68 lbs of thrust
Joking aside is the airframe up to this sort of power?
marcs
What the heck, why stop there?
Rumor has it that Jet Central is contemplating coming out with a new behemoth of a turbine!
Rumor is it may be called the “Indricotherium†which was the largest land mammal to walk the earth!
Attached are some very preliminary photos, it is alleged that this beast will blow 150 Lbs (666 N) of thrust!
05-09-2012, 06:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: RCISFUN
What the heck, why stop there?
Rumor has it that Jet Central is contemplating coming out with a new behemoth of a turbine!
Rumor is it may be called the “Indricotherium†which was the largest land mammal to walk the earth!
Attached are some very preliminary photos, it is alleged that this beast will blow 150 Lbs (666 N) of thrust!
ORIGINAL: marc s
Why stop there, a B300F is the same size as the P200 (and therefor the P240) but with 300N of thrust minimum, thats around 67-68 lbs of thrust
Joking aside is the airframe up to this sort of power?
marcs
Why stop there, a B300F is the same size as the P200 (and therefor the P240) but with 300N of thrust minimum, thats around 67-68 lbs of thrust
Joking aside is the airframe up to this sort of power?
marcs
What the heck, why stop there?
Rumor has it that Jet Central is contemplating coming out with a new behemoth of a turbine!
Rumor is it may be called the “Indricotherium†which was the largest land mammal to walk the earth!
Attached are some very preliminary photos, it is alleged that this beast will blow 150 Lbs (666 N) of thrust!
05-09-2012, 07:01 AM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
RCISFUN. . . .
Well, you have let the perverbial "cat out of the bag" (no pun intended toward our competition) however, only one of your two pictures is correct; that of the turbine wheel ! While the name "Indricotherium" is certainly fitting, I think our management team has come to agreement on the name. . .Behemoth which is certainly fitting. Nomenclature will be jf 370. . .following our jf 210.
BTW, thanks go to FMCC for developing the turbine wheel for this project.
We are looking for suitable airframes for testing at this point.
Cheers,
Eric
Well, you have let the perverbial "cat out of the bag" (no pun intended toward our competition) however, only one of your two pictures is correct; that of the turbine wheel ! While the name "Indricotherium" is certainly fitting, I think our management team has come to agreement on the name. . .Behemoth which is certainly fitting. Nomenclature will be jf 370. . .following our jf 210.
BTW, thanks go to FMCC for developing the turbine wheel for this project.
We are looking for suitable airframes for testing at this point.
Cheers,
Eric
05-13-2012, 10:12 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Cool news, Well I see people running A p-160 in the ultra flash so I don't think the P-240 would be too crazy, besides there is always the EPA setting so one could match the output of a p-200 easily...
Now with that said lets see the build process. I am no means a master builder, and as much as I like CARF planes I still believe they have some awkward construction techniques and the fact that there manual is quite outdated and WILL not work properly on an Ultra Lightning is really disappointing.
So we'll start with the wings:
Now with that said lets see the build process. I am no means a master builder, and as much as I like CARF planes I still believe they have some awkward construction techniques and the fact that there manual is quite outdated and WILL not work properly on an Ultra Lightning is really disappointing.
So we'll start with the wings:
05-13-2012, 10:24 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Some notes:
1, The Lengths for the flap rod are TOO BIG and you have to mount the servo arm going DOWN not up.
2, Use the ball link side for the linkage, use the silver link on the servo horn.
3, Instead of destroying a perfectly good SWB arm, use the stock hitec blue arm and drill it out for 3.0mm
4, You'll need to cut a good bit of the skin if you want 45mm up / down travel on the ailerons
5, Instead of using the brass tubes, I used carbon fiber TUBE jb-welded to the 3mm all thread rod. THIS IS STRONG and will not slip like CA,
6, I put a small ply block made with 3 pieces of the included ply strip and put a screw in so that the door does not over-open as this can cause the closing mech to screw up push the door outwards more instead of closing it.
7, I drilled a small hole in the front rib to put the screws for the flaps, there is just no other way to screw on those other side servo screws.
8, DO NOT leave a 5-6MM space from the edge as stated in the manual, leave only 1-2mm otherwise the RETRACT WILL NOT CLOSE, I learned this the hard way and had to re-fill an re-drill new ones. with 2mm spacing the wheels easily go in without a problem.
9, spot-on wire keeps work good and leave enough clearance for the wheel.
1, The Lengths for the flap rod are TOO BIG and you have to mount the servo arm going DOWN not up.
2, Use the ball link side for the linkage, use the silver link on the servo horn.
3, Instead of destroying a perfectly good SWB arm, use the stock hitec blue arm and drill it out for 3.0mm
4, You'll need to cut a good bit of the skin if you want 45mm up / down travel on the ailerons
5, Instead of using the brass tubes, I used carbon fiber TUBE jb-welded to the 3mm all thread rod. THIS IS STRONG and will not slip like CA,
6, I put a small ply block made with 3 pieces of the included ply strip and put a screw in so that the door does not over-open as this can cause the closing mech to screw up push the door outwards more instead of closing it.
7, I drilled a small hole in the front rib to put the screws for the flaps, there is just no other way to screw on those other side servo screws.
8, DO NOT leave a 5-6MM space from the edge as stated in the manual, leave only 1-2mm otherwise the RETRACT WILL NOT CLOSE, I learned this the hard way and had to re-fill an re-drill new ones. with 2mm spacing the wheels easily go in without a problem.
9, spot-on wire keeps work good and leave enough clearance for the wheel.
05-13-2012, 10:39 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
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RCISFUN. . . .
Well, you have let the perverbial ''cat out of the bag'' (no pun intended toward our competition) however, only one of your two pictures is correct; that of the turbine wheel ! While the name ''Indricotherium'' is certainly fitting, I think our management team has come to agreement on the name. . .Behemoth which is certainly fitting. Nomenclature will be jf 370. . .following our jf 210.
BTW, thanks go to FMCC for developing the turbine wheel for this project.
We are looking for suitable airframes for testing at this point.
Cheers,
Eric
RCISFUN. . . .
Well, you have let the perverbial ''cat out of the bag'' (no pun intended toward our competition) however, only one of your two pictures is correct; that of the turbine wheel ! While the name ''Indricotherium'' is certainly fitting, I think our management team has come to agreement on the name. . .Behemoth which is certainly fitting. Nomenclature will be jf 370. . .following our jf 210.
BTW, thanks go to FMCC for developing the turbine wheel for this project.
We are looking for suitable airframes for testing at this point.
Cheers,
Eric
Disco,
You're going to have a ROCKET!![8D]
05-14-2012, 02:16 AM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
ORIGINAL: RCISFUN
What the heck, why stop there?
Rumor has it that Jet Central is contemplating coming out with a new behemoth of a turbine!
Rumor is it may be called the “Indricotherium†which was the largest land mammal to walk the earth!
Attached are some very preliminary photos, it is alleged that this beast will blow 150 Lbs (666 N) of thrust!
What the heck, why stop there?
Rumor has it that Jet Central is contemplating coming out with a new behemoth of a turbine!
Rumor is it may be called the “Indricotherium†which was the largest land mammal to walk the earth!
Attached are some very preliminary photos, it is alleged that this beast will blow 150 Lbs (666 N) of thrust!
05-14-2012, 06:14 AM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Why don't you guys just get it over with !!! Put a JATO bottle on an Impala and light it off and watch it impale itself on a mountain side.. Ya'll can draw straws on who gets to drive !!!! Sounds like the end result is going to be the same as this project... Hope nobody gets hurt.. [X(]
Danno
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05-14-2012, 12:13 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
ORIGINAL: DiscoWings
I can't see why not its only 6 lbs more than the p-200 and they have been flying around forever.
I can't see why not its only 6 lbs more than the p-200 and they have been flying around forever.
05-14-2012, 01:29 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Andy,
I think you misinterpreted.
I think hes saying its only 6lbs more THRUST, (240 over 200), not that the BF300 weighs 6 lbs more!
The P200SX has been tested to 234.1N at 112,000 already, so the P240 isnt much of a stretch to get it up another measly 6 Newtons.
But 58lbs should actually be around 258 Newtons I believe.
Also, the BF website looks like it states 33.1 oz fuel per minute at full power. but thats at 300N!
Ill wait to see its review in Jet International. Ive only seen one so far and it flamed out and crashed. It sounded as real as it gets on takeoff though!!
$7100.00 bucks! ouch!
Scott
I think you misinterpreted.
I think hes saying its only 6lbs more THRUST, (240 over 200), not that the BF300 weighs 6 lbs more!
The P200SX has been tested to 234.1N at 112,000 already, so the P240 isnt much of a stretch to get it up another measly 6 Newtons.
But 58lbs should actually be around 258 Newtons I believe.
Also, the BF website looks like it states 33.1 oz fuel per minute at full power. but thats at 300N!
Ill wait to see its review in Jet International. Ive only seen one so far and it flamed out and crashed. It sounded as real as it gets on takeoff though!!
$7100.00 bucks! ouch!
Scott
05-14-2012, 01:38 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
Scott, you are talking about the JC240 not the B300F here when you say 'flamed out and crashed'?
The B300F is a well tried unit with full certification for use in manned vehicle/aircraft.
marcs
The B300F is a well tried unit with full certification for use in manned vehicle/aircraft.
marcs
05-14-2012, 05:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: jetpilot
Not a slam on the BF! just what I saw!
probably not that many over here!
my P200 just flamed out and crashed, but that was confirmed installtion.
Scott
Not a slam on the BF! just what I saw!
probably not that many over here!
my P200 just flamed out and crashed, but that was confirmed installtion.
Scott
Which jet had the P-200 in it??? Man I'm sorry to hear about your loss..
Andy
05-14-2012, 09:14 PM
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RE: Ultra Lightning w/JetCat 240
ORIGINAL: AndyAndrews
You are wrong.
ORIGINAL: DiscoWings
I can't see why not its only 6 lbs more than the p-200 and they have been flying around forever.
I can't see why not its only 6 lbs more than the p-200 and they have been flying around forever.
