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Next AMA EC Meeting
February 9, 2002
National Aeromodeling Center Headquarters
8:00 a.m.
AGENDA for EC Meeting 02/09/02
1. Introductions
Sensitivity Training, Michelle O'Neil 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.
COMMENT: How NOT to get anything accomplished in one easy lesson.
President's Report
• Replacement VPs
• Review Committees/Chairman
• Approval of October 27, 2001 Minutes
Executive Vice President's Report
Executive Director's ReportNAA Report
Committee Reports
a. CD/LM (Ad Hoc) McNeill
COMMENT: More add hoc... for sure. How much more can Mcneil grapple with this subject?
b. Education Schimmel
c. Frequency Underwood
d. Nats Bauer
e. PADCOM B Brown
f. Nominating Foreman
COMMENT: Watch this one for NO CHANGE.
g. Nats (ad hoc) Bauer
h. Publications B Brown
i. Sanctions/Liabilities Oberdieck
COMMENT: What is this one about? Looking for another power play here.
2.Old Business
3. New Business
a. Each District be allowed 2 pages in Model Aviation McNeill
COMMENT: FOR WHAT? This is NOT a needed item? Advertising would suffer. Where will the funds come from? McNeil is running scared already?
b. Dues structure for 2003 Bauer
COMMENT: Here it comes!
c. VP authority between AMA web and club web link McNeill
COMMENT: Doesn't McNeil have enough authority? A narrow win really goes to his head. Of course it finds lots of spare room there.
d. Number of names on election ballot Frank
COMMENT: Wonder just how much this will be pushed. Will SF really try to get a diluted ballot next year? Would that be better than having Lee and Powell are other buds with him? Wonder just who he is afraid of???
e. Discuss term limits for elected officials Mathewson
COMMENT: If the membership voters cannot handle that themselves, they don't deserve mandated changes. Term limits only mandate those items that the voters fail to do. OTOH, when a good officer is there, and his voters like him, then let him remain to do good work.
f. No political nature advertising in Model Aviation McNeill
COMMENT: OH BOYEE!! Advertising is advertising. Let the chips fall where they may. If someone wants to pay the bill, then so be it. No to McNeil for this one.
g. New clubs may not have identical name of existing club Bauer
COMMENT: Trivial BS for this one. Makes no difference. What's the problem?
h. Rescind July 9, 2001 Motion VI (Earned Membership) Mathewson
COMMENT: No motion VI available for 7/9/01. Could this possibly be SF's motion to give 12 earned memberships made at the 10/27/01 meeting? These free memberships are for SF's show which is supposedly NOT an AMA function.
Of course SF certainly uses all the pluses of his position to promote HIS event. OTOH, it is a GOOD event and it is good for the hobby or so I think. Will miss it this year.
Awards
Write to YOUR VP and express YOUR thoughts.
Horrace Cain
National Aeromodeling Center Headquarters
8:00 a.m.
AGENDA for EC Meeting 02/09/02
1. Introductions
Sensitivity Training, Michelle O'Neil 8:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m.
COMMENT: How NOT to get anything accomplished in one easy lesson.
President's Report
• Replacement VPs
• Review Committees/Chairman
• Approval of October 27, 2001 Minutes
Executive Vice President's Report
Executive Director's ReportNAA Report
Committee Reports
a. CD/LM (Ad Hoc) McNeill
COMMENT: More add hoc... for sure. How much more can Mcneil grapple with this subject?
b. Education Schimmel
c. Frequency Underwood
d. Nats Bauer
e. PADCOM B Brown
f. Nominating Foreman
COMMENT: Watch this one for NO CHANGE.
g. Nats (ad hoc) Bauer
h. Publications B Brown
i. Sanctions/Liabilities Oberdieck
COMMENT: What is this one about? Looking for another power play here.
2.Old Business
3. New Business
a. Each District be allowed 2 pages in Model Aviation McNeill
COMMENT: FOR WHAT? This is NOT a needed item? Advertising would suffer. Where will the funds come from? McNeil is running scared already?
b. Dues structure for 2003 Bauer
COMMENT: Here it comes!
c. VP authority between AMA web and club web link McNeill
COMMENT: Doesn't McNeil have enough authority? A narrow win really goes to his head. Of course it finds lots of spare room there.
d. Number of names on election ballot Frank
COMMENT: Wonder just how much this will be pushed. Will SF really try to get a diluted ballot next year? Would that be better than having Lee and Powell are other buds with him? Wonder just who he is afraid of???
e. Discuss term limits for elected officials Mathewson
COMMENT: If the membership voters cannot handle that themselves, they don't deserve mandated changes. Term limits only mandate those items that the voters fail to do. OTOH, when a good officer is there, and his voters like him, then let him remain to do good work.
f. No political nature advertising in Model Aviation McNeill
COMMENT: OH BOYEE!! Advertising is advertising. Let the chips fall where they may. If someone wants to pay the bill, then so be it. No to McNeil for this one.
g. New clubs may not have identical name of existing club Bauer
COMMENT: Trivial BS for this one. Makes no difference. What's the problem?
h. Rescind July 9, 2001 Motion VI (Earned Membership) Mathewson
COMMENT: No motion VI available for 7/9/01. Could this possibly be SF's motion to give 12 earned memberships made at the 10/27/01 meeting? These free memberships are for SF's show which is supposedly NOT an AMA function.
Of course SF certainly uses all the pluses of his position to promote HIS event. OTOH, it is a GOOD event and it is good for the hobby or so I think. Will miss it this year.
Awards
Write to YOUR VP and express YOUR thoughts.
Horrace Cain
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Another Forum?
Originally posted by gpmikemorse
I wouldn't knock sensitivity training until you've tried it. Any chance you could take the personal attacks to another forum?
I wouldn't knock sensitivity training until you've tried it. Any chance you could take the personal attacks to another forum?
I say it as I feel it Those that can't take the heat -- have my permission to leave the kitchen.
If the administrators of this forum say "Go elsewhere," you can color me gone.
AMA business and politics are a number one area of the promotion of the sport of model aviation.
I have been involved for many years. I will continue to do so. IMO there are few personal attacks in the post except perhaps McNeil's items. IMO the man has lost it and I have known him personally since 1979.
Complete the mission first, then worry about personalities at Happy Hour.
HC
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Same crap different day Horrace Cain? I think you should run again for office. Your negative mouth running is depressing! If you wanted to change something you are going about it the wrong way. Maybe you should use two different screen names to complement your self! Get a life!
Happy flying!
Victor
Happy flying!
Victor
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Same crap different day Horrace Cain? I think you should run again for office. Your negative mouth running is depressing! If you wanted to change something you are going about it the wrong way. Maybe you should use two different screen names to complement your self! Get a life!
Happy flying!
Victor
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Don't need to hide behind another name. Not afraid to stand up and be counted, are you, Victor ??X.
Since you know the *wrong* way, maybe you could lend your expertise in the right way!
Well, Victor X, I have tried, as I had 50+ nominations for the AMA Pres. last year, however the EC always seems to pick the lesser of the threat to place on the ballot.
Maybe now, you just might be seeing some light why SF is running a bit scared for next year. Whether a limit of 3 -- he and his buddies -- or a grossly diluted ballot, it could be tight.
SOSDD, a fact of life until the days are exhausted.
Horrace
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01-20-2002 11:45 AM
Lets get it straight .....You are slinging snot about spilt milk!! I do KNOW I'M RIGHT !!! You need to learn how to deal with loss. You do not have leadership qualities. 20 years of military service qualifies me to report that fact about you to you. Get a life and post your feeble thoughts, private messages are reserved for positive flying information
SFC V. Malloy retired
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Same crap different day Horrace Cain? I think you should run again for office. Your negative mouth running is depressing! If you wanted to change something you are going about it the wrong way. Maybe you should use two different screen names to complement your self! Get a life!
Happy flying!
Victor
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Don't need to hide behind another name. Not afraid to stand up and be counted, are you, Victor ??X.
Since you know the *wrong* way, maybe you could lend your expertise in the right way!
Well, Victor X, I have tried, as I had 50+ nominations for the AMA Pres. last year, however the EC always seems to pick the lesser of the threat to place on the ballot.
Maybe now, you just might be seeing some light why SF is running a bit scared for next year. Whether a limit of 3 -- he and his buddies -- or a grossly diluted ballot, it could be tight.
SOSDD, a fact of life until the days are exhausted.
Horrace
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Horrace Cain
AMA 539 CD & Leader
01-20-2002 11:45 AM
Lets get it straight .....You are slinging snot about spilt milk!! I do KNOW I'M RIGHT !!! You need to learn how to deal with loss. You do not have leadership qualities. 20 years of military service qualifies me to report that fact about you to you. Get a life and post your feeble thoughts, private messages are reserved for positive flying information
SFC V. Malloy retired
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Guys, I certainly don't mind discussions about ama or the politics of which you may wish to question or discuss but please keep it to the facts and leave personal issues aside. If you have a personal issue with another member here that you feel you must discuss with them please do so via email or phone as these forums are not going to allow personal attacks of any kind. They are unnecessary and your points can all be expressed and made without name calling or attacking one another.
If personal attacks are made you will be asked kindly to edit your comment.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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I only know two of the three candidates running for executive vice president. They are both CPA's and both reputable people so I found it somewhat offensive that Horrace Cain insulted their profession and basically called them liars who would say anything the boss wants in his election statement in the recent AMA magazine.
If I hadn't made a decision before this would definitely make my mind up for me. I'll be voting for Doug Holland and I hope many others do to. If you look at the money he's brought into the AMA and the decisions made under his watch you'd see that this is a big business and requires more than just a normal modeler with good intentions.
If I hadn't made a decision before this would definitely make my mind up for me. I'll be voting for Doug Holland and I hope many others do to. If you look at the money he's brought into the AMA and the decisions made under his watch you'd see that this is a big business and requires more than just a normal modeler with good intentions.
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way to go eam i dont care how it goes but it seems that doug is supporting the cds if so he has got my vote and a lot of vps better wake up for elections are around the corner, and if every cd changes two votes there will be a new staff, this is the first organization that i have ever belonged to that the director would not extent the courtesy of answering a email even after she said that she would, see months before last ama magazine, and that also goes for the president and vice president, it must be really awful to set up in those chairs and look down on all us peasents and be in total control.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dennis1943
[B]way to go eam i dont care how it goes but it seems that doug is supporting the cds if so he has got my vote and a lot of vps better wake up for elections are around the corner, and if every cd changes two votes there will be a new staff, this is the first organization that i have ever belonged to that the director would not extent the courtesy of answering a email even after she said that she would, see months before last ama magazine, and that also goes for the president and vice president, it must be really awful to set up in those chairs and look down on all us peasents and be in total control.
dennis w. martin sr
If *doug* is supporting the CDs, it doesn't show in this EC vote.
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MOTION III: Moved by R. Miller (IX), seconded by C. Bauer (VI), the following list reflects the changes made to the fee structure for 2003 – Club Charter fee-$30; Additional Insured Certificate-$60/regular wording $80/special wording; Leader Member application fee-$10; FAI Stamp-$15 above NAA’s cost to AMA; Sanction Application fee-$20; all Earned (free) Memberships will now receive a 50% credit on cost of their dues. Insurance Certificates for sanction applications and Chartered Club Dated Certificates will remain the same. MOTION passed unanimously.
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NOTICE: Unaimous passing of the motion which includes *doug*.
*doug* is NOT supporting anyone other than the THREE CORPORATIONS that he wants to split AMA into, or take on several captives.
GO TO THE AMA WEB AND READ THE MINUTES OF THE 6/15 MEETING. It is all there. If you think your dues are high now, just wait until all those AMA Corporation Managers and Directors come on the payrolls.
Maybe eam has been offered a fat cat position there. If not, perhaps it would be advisable to look at the facts and just where the current EC is taking AMA.
If you don't understand Captive Insurance Off-shore operations, then you will always wonder why your AMA bill will go up like real estate taxes. In the same way, you will have NO control over them.
Place a MODELER in that seat, one who has a financial WORKING background and can keep the books BLACK unlike the current situation. I won't spend money BEFORE it comes, and I WON"T deficit budget.
The modeler/member will be first and foremost.
Horrace Cain
AMA 539 CD / Leader
Candidate AMA Executive Vice President.
PS Is it not strange that someone pulls up an archived post and some jump on it like it was new stuff? I think there is fear in Muncie. If you want some change, use that ballot, NOW.
[B]way to go eam i dont care how it goes but it seems that doug is supporting the cds if so he has got my vote and a lot of vps better wake up for elections are around the corner, and if every cd changes two votes there will be a new staff, this is the first organization that i have ever belonged to that the director would not extent the courtesy of answering a email even after she said that she would, see months before last ama magazine, and that also goes for the president and vice president, it must be really awful to set up in those chairs and look down on all us peasents and be in total control.
dennis w. martin sr
If *doug* is supporting the CDs, it doesn't show in this EC vote.
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MOTION III: Moved by R. Miller (IX), seconded by C. Bauer (VI), the following list reflects the changes made to the fee structure for 2003 – Club Charter fee-$30; Additional Insured Certificate-$60/regular wording $80/special wording; Leader Member application fee-$10; FAI Stamp-$15 above NAA’s cost to AMA; Sanction Application fee-$20; all Earned (free) Memberships will now receive a 50% credit on cost of their dues. Insurance Certificates for sanction applications and Chartered Club Dated Certificates will remain the same. MOTION passed unanimously.
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NOTICE: Unaimous passing of the motion which includes *doug*.
*doug* is NOT supporting anyone other than the THREE CORPORATIONS that he wants to split AMA into, or take on several captives.
GO TO THE AMA WEB AND READ THE MINUTES OF THE 6/15 MEETING. It is all there. If you think your dues are high now, just wait until all those AMA Corporation Managers and Directors come on the payrolls.
Maybe eam has been offered a fat cat position there. If not, perhaps it would be advisable to look at the facts and just where the current EC is taking AMA.
If you don't understand Captive Insurance Off-shore operations, then you will always wonder why your AMA bill will go up like real estate taxes. In the same way, you will have NO control over them.
Place a MODELER in that seat, one who has a financial WORKING background and can keep the books BLACK unlike the current situation. I won't spend money BEFORE it comes, and I WON"T deficit budget.
The modeler/member will be first and foremost.
Horrace Cain
AMA 539 CD / Leader
Candidate AMA Executive Vice President.
PS Is it not strange that someone pulls up an archived post and some jump on it like it was new stuff? I think there is fear in Muncie. If you want some change, use that ballot, NOW.
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I don't know if Muncie is worried or not, but I'll take the slap for responding to what is an old post. I'm a newly registered reader here and didn't look at the date.
All that aside I would vote for Doug Holland or Doug Barry just because their statements in the magazine didn't sound like a popularity contest entry from a high school yearbook.
I'm not an accountant nor do I run a big business, but I think someone who is should be in that position at AMA.
I don't like mudslinging.
All that aside I would vote for Doug Holland or Doug Barry just because their statements in the magazine didn't sound like a popularity contest entry from a high school yearbook.
I'm not an accountant nor do I run a big business, but I think someone who is should be in that position at AMA.
I don't like mudslinging.
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Greg: You have the right idea. The position demands an experienced accountant, and Doug Holland is!!! Some talk a good story and it is just that--talk. Regards.