Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
01-16-2003, 06:19 AM
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
I am getting my Bobcat ready for my first flight and wondering is a gyro a must? Also have any of you flown it without the speed brakes? If so how well does it slow down. Last have anyone tried flaperons on a Bobcat XL before?
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01-16-2003, 08:06 AM
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
You don't need a gyro to fly the Bobcat. Takeoffs are arrow straight and in calm wind conditions, the wings will barely rock when the gear are lowered. In breezy conditions with the gear down, the wing rock increases and will require more aileron input to roll into a turn. My speed brakes are attached and I haven't experimented with the suggested flaperon setup yet.
01-16-2003, 01:36 PM
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
I would not say it is not necessary, the airplane is controllable without the gyro but it sure makes the landings a lot more comfortable. In calm conditions the Bobcat is fine without one, but add a crosswind to the picture and you will be glad you have one on board. I have had the flaperons setup for the last 150 or so flights and they are another essential in my books. kick them up about 3/16-1/4" and the elevator down about the same. It really helps dump lift and slows the airplane down. Without the flaperons the Bobcat is tough to get down into a short field, with them I have flown off as short as a 325' runway. You will love the airplane it's a great flier.
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01-16-2003, 03:15 PM
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
Originally posted by DavidR
I would not say it is not necessary, the airplane is controllable without the gyro but it sure makes the landings a lot more comfortable. David Reid
I would not say it is not necessary, the airplane is controllable without the gyro but it sure makes the landings a lot more comfortable. David Reid
I always enjoy watching you fly your airplanes. I was under the impression that you are 100% in full control of the stick. Now that I know you are using gyro for help, I will close my eyes next time I see you flying. BTW, good pilots fly their airplanes without gyro.
(LOL)......ghost rider......out.......
(waiting for the incoming!!!!!)
01-16-2003, 03:23 PM
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
Thanks for the replies, I feel more comfortable knowing now. I plan on doing the first few flights on a dry lake bed so cross winds and runway length are not really a concern. I will try the flaperons and no gyros and check it out.
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
Ghost boy,
Yup now my secret is out of the bag. I use a gyro on my Phantom as well on th eurdder to dampen any dutch roll as well. BTW you still have to fly it the gyro doesn't do ALL the work!
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Yup now my secret is out of the bag. I use a gyro on my Phantom as well on th eurdder to dampen any dutch roll as well. BTW you still have to fly it the gyro doesn't do ALL the work!
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01-16-2003, 06:29 PM
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Re: Phantoms with gyros
Originally posted by Kevin_W
So David when your F-4 went into the bleachers was that you flying it or was the gyro in control ??
So David when your F-4 went into the bleachers was that you flying it or was the gyro in control ??
Kevin, you have an incoming heading your way. Just wait until DR reads your comment.
I'm not going to moderate this one!!!!!.
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FWIW, DR is such a chiken, he operates here in invisible mode.
01-16-2003, 06:34 PM
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Re: Re: Phantoms with gyros
Originally posted by ghost_rider
FWIW, DR is such a chiken, he operates here in invisible mode.
FWIW, DR is such a chiken, he operates here in invisible mode.
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01-16-2003, 06:42 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Phantoms with gyros
Originally posted by Gordon Mc
Hey Ben - aren't you supposed to be helping me put out fires, rather than handing out lighter fluid and matches ?
Gordon
Hey Ben - aren't you supposed to be helping me put out fires, rather than handing out lighter fluid and matches ?
Gordon
FWIW, DR has a broad shoulder. If he can dish it out, I know he would not mind picking up some incoming every now and then. That is what friends are for !!!! (LMAO).
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So David when your F-4 went into the bleachers was that you flying it or was the gyro in control ??
Geeezzz I don't exactly know where to start with Kevin's landings... but at least he doesn't total the plane.
DR
Gordo.... thanks for helping me out.....my fragile ego can't take much abuse!
01-16-2003, 06:56 PM
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FWIW, DR is such a chiken, he operates here in invisible mode.
No invisible mode here.......I sign my name to every post......who the hell is Ghost Rider anyway?
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
Originally posted by DavidR
No invisible mode here.......I sign my name to every post......who the hell is Ghost Rider anyway?
No invisible mode here.......I sign my name to every post......who the hell is Ghost Rider anyway?
Ghost Rider is that funny speaking guy from Ft Wayne, Indiana. I will tell him you said hello.
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01-16-2003, 08:07 PM
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Ben, DR in invisible mode? Absolutely no way. I don't think we'll ever be able to see through "Casper"
Bill Harris
By the way David, whats on the table right now?
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By the way David, whats on the table right now?
01-16-2003, 08:14 PM
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Bill I have so much crap on the table its pitifull!!!!!!!!
There is a F-100D model, my Phantom is there recieving a little more detail. My F-100F is sitting patiently in boxes. A guy dropped a Bobcat by the other day for me to prime and stuff (he's gunna have to wait!) Oh yeah and I have a half built heli for me on the table.
Speaking of heli's....... if you are anywhere around me while I am flying that or any other heli.....TAKE COVER!!!
DR
Ben,
I must be too quick for you!
There is a F-100D model, my Phantom is there recieving a little more detail. My F-100F is sitting patiently in boxes. A guy dropped a Bobcat by the other day for me to prime and stuff (he's gunna have to wait!) Oh yeah and I have a half built heli for me on the table.
Speaking of heli's....... if you are anywhere around me while I am flying that or any other heli.....TAKE COVER!!!
DR
Ben,
I must be too quick for you!
01-16-2003, 08:16 PM
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Bobcat XL is a gyro necessary?
Sung, FWIW, I test flew my Bcat at Mississippi last year,
without the gyro, flew fine till landing. We had a quartering wind and it was a hairaising event to say the least. After ten flights, I finally got behind the Dutch roll and knocked the flex plates out the nose. Put the gyro in and solved the problem. I set mine at about 75% with the gear down, and 0% with the gear up.
BTW the spoilerons work great. I had it set up at a 1/4" of up ailerons and a 1/4" down elevator mix. Good luck, its a great flying bird. Bill Harris
without the gyro, flew fine till landing. We had a quartering wind and it was a hairaising event to say the least. After ten flights, I finally got behind the Dutch roll and knocked the flex plates out the nose. Put the gyro in and solved the problem. I set mine at about 75% with the gear down, and 0% with the gear up.
BTW the spoilerons work great. I had it set up at a 1/4" of up ailerons and a 1/4" down elevator mix. Good luck, its a great flying bird. Bill Harris
01-16-2003, 08:23 PM
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David, Same here. One F-4 ready for paint, One ready for delivery, a MIG 15, watching the clear dry on that one for Butch Rosser, a Super Bandit for me, and two F-100's, one me and one a friend. And one more F-4 on its feet awaiting paint. Been busy Holidays.
Helicopters? Great!!! You flying something that can move 4 directions at the same time?????? REAL NICE!!!!
Bill Harris
Helicopters? Great!!! You flying something that can move 4 directions at the same time?????? REAL NICE!!!!
Bill Harris
01-16-2003, 09:54 PM
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Helicopters? Great!!! You flying something that can move 4 directions at the same time?????? REAL NICE!!!!
Yup......scary thought huh! Don't worry though just stand behind me......I NEVER hit myself. Stay clear of the bleachers though, that's the real danger zone!
