robersteam

hi friends.i had just bought one 58" f86 nib.
i´d like any input.building thread or detailed pic.
i´m thinking in a k60 for power,what do you think?
any thoughts ´ll be welcome.
thanks in advance
Norberto

Boomerang1

Which version is yours?

They evolved from a DF model, to a turbine model, to an ARF.

Mine is a DF kit version fitted with the turbine conversion kit
& fitted with a P-60. I modified quite a few things on mine.

Although I bought it partly built I found it frustrating sorting out the
problems needed to make it satisfy me. - John.

Doug Cronkhite

My Feedback: (34)

It it's 58", then it's the original kit. The AFS was 60 or 63 (with the wingtip extension).

robersteam

yes Doug it´s a foam core wing 58".from 1994 i think.should i add wingtip extension,fuse is the same?.i´m also thinking about two pieces wing to make it easy transport to international events.what do you think?

Chris Smith

My Feedback: (2)

It's considered a 60" BVM Sabre. You don't need to add wing tip extensions (63") unless you are detailing a specific full scale. If you convert to 2-piece wing, you will need to see plans from the AFS version and call BVM for parts required. Unless you have a small car a one piece wing is fine.

robersteam

sorry what´s AFS??

erbroens

Hi Rober, here are some links you may find useful:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...fications.html

Ihttp://www.bvmjets.com/pages/f-86sabre.htm

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...to-wanted.html

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...p-bvm-f86.html

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-j...-posted-3.html

robersteam

Muito obrigado amigo

ravill

My Feedback: (11)

I've had both the older ducted fan one and the new arf. I thought the P60 was just too underpowered. If I was doing that again, I'd put a P100 in it.

robersteam

ok,maybe i can use a kingtech k100,i thought it was overpower but i´ll take your advice!!

erbroens

De nada , Rober!

Indeed the sabre will be ballistic with a P100... However you can always throttle back and there are much more airframes available for this size of turbine, i think too is a better purchase option.

jamesef91

I have had two older kit F86. They are fantastic fliers, however I would take a few minutes and call BVM re converting to turbine. I did when I was going to convert the second one of mine to turbine. Bob was very helpful and had a lot of insight on the construction and limitations of that airframe. It can and has been done, but will have to be flown carefully and I can assure you based on my conversation that he will recommend against a P100.
If you can find an AFS kit you will be better off.

robersteam

sorry again,whats AFS

jamesef91

AFS are the last generation kits that the arf version is based on. They are built much stronger than the older kits with the one piece wing. If you do decide to go forward with the turbine conversion keep a close eye on the inboard side of the aileron bay. I had difficulty on one I converted to EDF with the wing cracking between the inboard of the servo bay and the trailing edge of the wing. The weight with a turbine will be similar to EDF however the speeds will be higher. I wound up with the ARF version with a super bee and loved it. A dream to fly.

Chris Smith

My Feedback: (2)

Word of unsolicited advice:

If you want to own only one turbine engine and you don't want it to be a K60 or P60, then make the Sabre an EDF or sell it. Don't ruin a good older kit by powering it with a tuned down K100 or P100. Buy a different and larger model.

ravill

My Feedback: (11)

Yeah, uncle Bob, does not like over powered airframes.

Really, the new F-86's (the AFS ones) really are so pretty and can be had for such a great price. If you can, do it.

Remember to throttle back a little bit. Its so nice to have power on tap for a quick take off when you need it, or a quick go around, again, when you need it. And unlimited verticals! Ha!

I did not glue in my horizontal stabs in the newer 86 I had, and they did seem a little on the floppy side. I would not trust them to be blasting 200mph passes with it.

Dave Wilshere

Seeing no one actually seemed to anwser Advance Fabrication System was what I understood it to mean. It meant there was a lot less work to do "work out"
A friend had an early AFS with a P-60, flew great

Boomerang1

Good luck squeezing everything in to the model!

And all the other issues that go with over powered models like excess residual thrust,
extra fuel to feed it, extra weight, etc.

From what I understand the original Sabre kits were structurally marginal when converted from DF
to turbine power with 14 pound engines (hence all the modifications, warnings in the instructions &
addendums) so a 22 pound engine is just asking for problems IMO.

They fly fine on a P-60, I fly mine from a grass strip. - John.

Doug Cronkhite

My Feedback: (34)

I flew mine with a P-70 and it was PLENTY of power. I think the P-60 is fine for that era kit if you build it light. The AFS was heavy by comparison. I haven't seen the new ARF to compare.

robersteam

ok,the fact is i´m buying it because it´s so cheap,$250,including retracts.i can´t get any bvm option because of it´s cost,here in Argentina everything is quite expensive,except beef,
so i´ll have to make any mod myself,i´m taking notes,maybe a k60 ´ll be ...