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Old 11-21-2003, 02:10 AM
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I've been doing some research on the site about gluing but haven't seen anyone mention using baking soda with CA. If you need to make a rock hard bond but the joint is to small or not quite flush blowing/brushing/shaking some baking soda into the joint then applying thin CA will make a joint like a rock. Just thought I'd throw this out for people looking for gluing ideas!
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What about the fumes???
Is it as back as Zap Kicker Fumes??
Not good on the snynusess.
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Old 11-21-2003, 08:02 AM
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I have used this techniques on several occasions. The first time was when I was converting a buddy box to a 2 - stick controller for a simulator. I cut the shaft of the potentiometer undersize so there was some slop in the controls. I later took out the potentiometer and built up a CA/baking soda mixture on the shaft and filed it down to fit. I never had another problem. I have also used the technique to make repairs to broken plastic parts with great success.
Old 11-21-2003, 09:59 AM
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Baking soda dissolved well in hot water, used at room temp, in an old windex (or similar) sprayer, can be used as a CA Accelerator........CAUTION......DO NOT GET CA AND ACCELERATOR ON YOUR SKIN !!!
Don't ask how I know this.

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There is a good reason for baking soda to aid in CA joints. CA and an acidic base do not work well together. The soda neutralizes the acid and aids in making a good joint. This process also aids any hardwood joints (hardwoods are generally acidic in nature), just slightly dust the prospective joint with soda before joining with CA.
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ORIGINAL: iflircaircraft

CAUTION......DO NOT GET CA AND ACCELERATOR ON YOUR SKIN !!!
Ah - I've felt many a "warm spot" when applying sheeting with CA -

I've actually seen smoke (or some kind of visible vapor) come off the stringers of a small micro I'm building.

Bondo gets surprisingly warm when it's curing, too.
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Indeed, there was a discussion of this recently around here.
I always thought that water catalyzed CA. However, it turns out that CA, in the bottle, is stabilized by the addition of a weak acid.. Putting it on just about anything - especially a weak base - neutralizes the acid, and voila, it turns into some kind of plastic in a flash. Those crazy chemists.

What else would be good? Ammonia is base. Perhaps a weak ammonia solution?
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If you have a gap and don't need the strength try baby powder and Elmer's glue. It makes a good filler and is certainly cheaper than Balsarite model putty. Sands easy too. It will not add any strength but will make a very smooth surface on sheet balsa leading edges etc.
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Someone mentioned fumes.. Definetly use caution as it will fume really bad if you do a large section.
Old 11-21-2003, 05:20 PM
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I use balsa dust instead of baking soda and talc. The long fibre stuff is best - good filler for epoxy as well.

There is always plenty about after using #80 grit to put the rough shape into a chuckie wing
Old 11-22-2003, 10:50 AM
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Ive been using this technique for awhile and it seems to work very well
i just figured it was alot cheaper than using microballoons the only problem is that it is hard to sand
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Work great on lite ply fuselages, and I've been using this technique for years. Put a pinch of baking soda near a fuselage-to-former junction, and lightly tap the fuselage to spread the baking soda out in a line.

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I have used Baking Soda as well with good results. As was mentioned earlier it does not sand easily. I usualy put it on, level it out with a small standard screwdriver, before applying the CA. Works well, just plan ahead. Creates a super bond.

Craig.
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I kid you not, for field repairs I have used a pinch of dry, powdery dirt for filler in place of baking soda. Try it!
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ORIGINAL: spokman

Someone mentioned fumes.. Definetly use caution as it will fume really bad if you do a large section.

Follow Clinton's example. Don't inhale.

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