Geistware

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I have some pictures and video that is not very good. I used a camera I didn't know how to use and the pictures do not do this plane justice. Put in 4 flights on one tank of fuel! 32oz goes a long way! If there are any mpg gurus out there, can you enhance the video?

I out in 4 flights and found this plane to be very responsive and can fly VERY slow. A couple of people walked up to me and wanted to know how I made a plane this big fly so slow. I told them I had a excellent builder, Thanks Tom!

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/.../Slow_Pass.MPG
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...le/Landing.MPG

As I said, the picture is very blue. If someone can fix it I would appreciate it. I will try to shoot a better video when I get a better camera.

rctom

Ok, we have a winner in the "First in the air" contest. I can breathe now.

Good job.

BTW doesn't Viagra make everything appear blue?

TF

Geistware

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Tom, I know Wild Hare is taking flack from people who do not like ARF's. While I did have an issue with my wing tube, this plane was simple enough to assemble that even I could do it. That says a lot on how it is designed and layed out. The hardware kit had everything that I needed and I only had to make a call to my LHS to ask how to install the hardware for the rudder. (You assume that the person putting it together knows what they are doing). With this said, It was easy to get the hinges glued in, the gear installed, and the engine mounted. THis is an excellent design and I will fly this or my PW Extra in the first SE region IMAC contest on February 7, 04.

I have never been anyones first before, what do I get??? (Just Kidding)

rctom

A pat on the back and a hearty handshake, and a sincere thank you for your business and your continuing confidence in my products.

TF

smitymax

What engine did you use in it??

Shortman

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I have a feeling its a Brison hehe. Nice plane Geistware, hope you enjoy it!

Geistware

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I started to use the Brison but I had a Sachs so I an using it. Last night I sealed the hing gaps so I want to see the difference in how it flies. Never really took it above 1/2 throttle and made sure to under prop the plane so that it would not fly fast. I want to understand how it handles first. I will say that it is built straight because on final when I chop the throttle it sinks flat without dropping the nose. WHen I apply power, It does precess to the left so I need more right thrust. The covering did wrinkle some in the sun yesterday. I did not touch it up before assembly so the three areas I had to touch up may have been what I missed when it was unpacked. While I have not checked how long my engine will run on 32oz of fuel, I will say that in 4-8 minute flights, I still had fuel left in the tank. This extra 1.5 lbs of weight (fuel) will be how I judge the handling characteristics of this plane.

rajul

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Hi Geistware, wish you had added a little zoom to your videos. Anymore coming up, especially aerobatics ?

rctom

Please be cautious about adjusting right thrust.

The way I determine the proper amount is to put the plane into a vertical line, and then cut power to less than needed to maintain the climb. When the plane nears zero airspeed, it should continue straight and not drop off to either side.

At flying speed the rudder controls yaw, but below that engine thrust angle takes over. If in your testing the plane was flying and you had control, maybe the pull to the left was something else other than precession/P factor? I know when I push the throttle open I have a tendency to also move the rudder.

Tom Fawcett

Geistware

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Tom, I will try this today if I can get my jobs on my honey do list completed.

rajul,
Unless I get someone less to fly my plane while I get video, I don't know how much better it will get. Hopefully I can get one of the 1/3 scale guys to fly it while I shoot video.

Geistware

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OK, after 7 flights I think I am in love.
The plane flies good at slow and moderate speeds.
I am finding that I need to add some additional right thrust to keep the plane flying at full throttle. Inverted flight is very stable and slow rolls are very axial. With the application of rudder (30 degrees), no aileron input is needed and only very little elevator is needed to compensate for pitch coupling. Stalls are difficult because the plane continues to fly at amazingly slow speeds. When the plane does stall the heavy wing (left) does drop first. I still have not balanced the plane laterially but I have checked and the left wing is heavy.

The links below were recorded with a digital camera. I don't have access to a video recorder so please accept this as an example of my first few flights.

http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...le/Takeoff.MPG
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...ale/Warmup.MPG
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...e/Flying_1.MPG
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...e/Flying_2.MPG
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/...e/Flying_3.MPG

LUDS96

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[8D]Great Job Miles. Thanks for sharing your first flights with us! Looks like a winner

rajul

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Miles,

WH has two Edge versions, low wing and mid wing. Yours look like the mid-wing version.

How does the WH Edge compare to the DP Edge ? Anyone that has flown both ?

rctom

Incorrect, we have two versions of the Extra 28% that is still not out. The Edge is available only as mid wing.

TF

rajul

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Tom, thanks for the correction. Got my info mixed up with a thread in the PITS forum. The WH Edge sure looks tempting. Drool......

capngriz

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You've got to tell us more about the MVVS 58 you're using. What prop? What did it do to your balancing? Is it really as strong as they claim on their websites (41 lbs of thrust and will swing up to a 26-10)? It sounds like a real stump puller. And last - are you going to sell it and if so, at what price and what muffler recommendation?

Sorry for so many questions. If you already answered these in another thread, just let me know.

Thanks,

Greg

Geistware

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I have flown both and the setup was different. I will say they both are the same. The DP had more throw than the WH so I could get the tail to chase the propeller. THe one thing that I like about the WH is that with the color scheme, it is easier to see. Today was cloudy and yesterday was sunny. Both days it was easy to see the plane. On up lines, when the sun hits the front/top of the plane, it looks awesome.

I was too lazy tonight to make any changes. If it looks nice, I will make some changes in the morning. I am interested in what setups people are using (throws and expo %) I have played with different setups and I think what I am seeing as the big difference is the digitals I have one the plane. Makes a big difference.

DKjens

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Greg,
Look around in this forum, Gas engines, and Giant Scale and WildHare, and you'll find a little info. I have this engine (mvvs58i) in the WH Edge, with a header and a large JMB can. For run in I'm using a ZingerPro24x10, and it swings the snot out of that prop. After run in I have no doubts it will swing a 26x10 or 27x8 or perhaps even larger load. I am running a very large and free flowing exhaust system, but it is still very quiet.
DKjens

capngriz

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I found some stuff, just not many in-flight reports. I saw a couple of your posts and it sounds like it's a beast. Keep us posted on it's progress and get some video online!

capngriz

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Is anyone going to consider the ZDZ 80 (Tom, I know you don't approve) at only 4.29 lbs? The G62 weighs 4.56 lbs w/o muffler.

This would be a crazy combo!

Geistware

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An engine that big would fit but it is definately more power that is needed. With my setup, I think the biggest problem is that you will need more right thrust than you will have engine box to install it with.

OK, you can't tell me that DKjens and I are the only two people who have flown this model. That is 2 down and 123 to go. DKjens, what serial number is on your kit?

rctom

The MVVS 58 is indeed real. I flew it with a 3w 24-10, which was laying around and left over from my 3w75. I did not have a tach with me but the engine sounds very similar to that 3w 75 in power/rpm. For such a small engine it does an excellent job with that big prop.

I am using a fairly restrictive Bisson wraparound muffler which is definitely holding the engine back. With a decent header /canister setup it would make more power and less noise. But for a plane of this size it's still way plenty of power. I don't think I used full throttle at all.

I am flying this engine on a prototype of the new Extra 300L so the balance issue is not the same as the Edge, but overall weight is about the same. The MVVS 58 is about 1 pound heavier than a DA-50, which is no big deal on a plane with 1350+ in. sq. wing.

The engine is very well behaved, idles nicely, starts very easily, is reliable and responsive, and generally easy to live with. I don't know if we'll be selling them, it depends on the US distributor.

Speaking of engine weight, I think Geistware might have less issue with the right thrust if he would try a little more forward CG. I found flying IMAC that the Edge is much better about holding lines with a little more weight on the nose. I added 4 oz. to my DA-50 setup and it made a huge difference.

Tom Fawcett
WHRC

FormerCA.

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Hello Tom;

What smoke muffler are people using with the da50? I have a lot of experience with brison and like them a lot, but I thought about trying a DA. Anyone you know using a brison 3.2?

Looks like you got a winner here neighbor.

Geistware

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Tom, since weight is easier than taking the engine off, I will try this first. My CG is at 4.75 empty and the 32oz tank is just ahead of the wing tube so I would not think that my CG is far enough forward. I will try it. Are you also saying that an AFT CG makes the left thrust moment of the engine more pronounced?

It is suppose to be 60 degrees today, so I may try it out. My scotch tape is holding up well in holding the canopy on!

rctom

I did not do a thorough analysis, I just noticed that it was easier to make it go where I wanted with some added weight on the nose.

I flew the plane in an IMAC contest last October and did not do very well. Later that week I noticed that the 4 oz. weight I had added to the plane was gone, had fallen off, so I replaced it and tried flying my sequences again. It made a big difference, but I don't remember left or right, just that it mattered.

TF