will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40:1 work?
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will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40:1 work?
Has anyone used coleman fuel / white gas and oil in the 3w's or DA engines?
I have seen this work on custom made engines and they run good!!
Is there a problem with using it with the right oil mix?
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Tony
Moderator's note: The Title was changed to reflect a fuel - oil ratio of 40:1 (2.5%) instead of being 40% oil which I think was his original intentions? -- Jim
I have seen this work on custom made engines and they run good!!
Is there a problem with using it with the right oil mix?
Thanks,
Tony
Moderator's note: The Title was changed to reflect a fuel - oil ratio of 40:1 (2.5%) instead of being 40% oil which I think was his original intentions? -- Jim
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
You would have to know what octane rating it has and see if it matches your engine manufacturers recommendations. If you really want to use "white" gas, I know all Amaco gasoline used to be "white" gas.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
TONY- One time when I was hunting a friend ran out of gas. So we used coleman fuel. It worked but, pinked liked crazy!
03-11-2004, 11:48 AM
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Coleman fuel itself runs great in a gas model engine but people use a fuel - oil ratio of 40:1 and also various other ratios from 32:1 and even 100:1 with some oils....
I never was able to get one to start with 40% oil. It was expensive too. I put bar oil in the wrong tank on a chain saw one time.
The Coleman fuel doesn't ping in the usual engine and it smells better than gasoline.
Enjoy,
Jim
I never was able to get one to start with 40% oil. It was expensive too. I put bar oil in the wrong tank on a chain saw one time.
The Coleman fuel doesn't ping in the usual engine and it smells better than gasoline.
Enjoy,
Jim
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
Why would you want to do this, this sounds strange, would you gain any 
power or burn cleaner or what, just wondering thx..
power or burn cleaner or what, just wondering thx..
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
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Why would you want to do this, this sounds strange, would you gain anypower or burn cleaner or what, just wondering thx..
Why would you want to do this, this sounds strange, would you gain any
power or burn cleaner or what, just wondering thx..
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
If that is a problem you can purchase different scents that can be added to gas. I do not know who makes them, but everybody that uses them say they are great! Especially the wives. Many Many flavors.
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If that is a problem you can purchase different scents that can be added to gas. I do not know who makes them, but everybody that uses them say they are great! Especially the wives. Many Many flavors.
If that is a problem you can purchase different scents that can be added to gas. I do not know who makes them, but everybody that uses them say they are great! Especially the wives. Many Many flavors.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
A friend runs coleman fuel in his DA50 with the normal oil mix and it runs great and he doesn't have to breath gas in his van on the way home from flying.
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A friend runs coleman fuel in his DA50 with the normal oil mix and it runs great and he doesn't have to breath gas in his van on the way home from flying.
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A friend runs coleman fuel in his DA50 with the normal oil mix and it runs great and he doesn't have to breath gas in his van on the way home from flying.
Randy
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
who knows what is really in there. the only thing for sure is that there is NOT gum in coleman fuel. but as to btu/lb or octane ratings, anyone's guess.
if you smell it, there is a leak. Is this typical of model tanks? I don't have actual models with gas, but I am working on it. I will make my own tanks if they leak. If it is the exhaust, it should smell like the oil used.
I would say Race gas from the specialty petroleum store, LL100 from the airport, or super unleaded from the "pump," in order of preference. the order completely reverses when considered in order of reality (the race gas is probably $5 per gallon).
if you smell it, there is a leak. Is this typical of model tanks? I don't have actual models with gas, but I am working on it. I will make my own tanks if they leak. If it is the exhaust, it should smell like the oil used.
I would say Race gas from the specialty petroleum store, LL100 from the airport, or super unleaded from the "pump," in order of preference. the order completely reverses when considered in order of reality (the race gas is probably $5 per gallon).
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
Oh yeah:
if the gas leaks, you can have a BAD fire/possible explosion.
but if the coleman fuel leaks, you can have a WAY BAD EXPLOSION FLASH FIREBALL FIRE. The difference is really suprising.
if you light a spilled cup of gasoline, it flashes up and you think "big fire, put it out, what else is going to get lit?"
if you light a spilled cup of stove fuel, it will suprise you how fast and violent the flash can be (it can scatter campfire kindling, even on a cold night). no time to think anything.
And, that volatility is actually a bad thing when it comes to carbeurated fuels--there is a vapor pressure limit for pump gas, otherwise, things "vaporlock"
if the gas leaks, you can have a BAD fire/possible explosion.
but if the coleman fuel leaks, you can have a WAY BAD EXPLOSION FLASH FIREBALL FIRE. The difference is really suprising.
if you light a spilled cup of gasoline, it flashes up and you think "big fire, put it out, what else is going to get lit?"
if you light a spilled cup of stove fuel, it will suprise you how fast and violent the flash can be (it can scatter campfire kindling, even on a cold night). no time to think anything.
And, that volatility is actually a bad thing when it comes to carbeurated fuels--there is a vapor pressure limit for pump gas, otherwise, things "vaporlock"
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
FWIW COleman fuel has an octane rating in the 60-70 range. But most model engines are not octane sensitive. They will lose a bit of power and run a little hotter.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
A big part of the smell is also the additives in motor gas. Not much of a need for addtives in Coleman fule, and avgas as minimal additves in it since it is refined so specifically. Also, avgas has a higher vapor pressure than motor fuel, eliminating some of the nasty smelling parts of gasoline needed to run. Avgas also evaporates much faster (lots of Toluene in it!), so minimal smell.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
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FWIW COleman fuel has an octane rating in the 60-70 range. But most model engines are not octane sensitive. They will lose a bit of power and run a little hotter.
FWIW COleman fuel has an octane rating in the 60-70 range. But most model engines are not octane sensitive. They will lose a bit of power and run a little hotter.
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03-12-2004, 12:02 PM
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Coleman fuel works quite well. I agree with Clarance Lee on the fact the octane ratings on this size engine is meaningless. It will run as well or better on the lower octane mixes. I personally use as much oil as I can without fouling the plugs, usually about 30 to 40%.
Moderator's note: He apparently means a ratio of 30:1 (3.33%) to 40:1 (2.5%) oil. This has caused a problem in this thread so far. Some of you have not picked up on this error while others have become frustrated about this fact. --- Jim
Moderator's note: He apparently means a ratio of 30:1 (3.33%) to 40:1 (2.5%) oil. This has caused a problem in this thread so far. Some of you have not picked up on this error while others have become frustrated about this fact. --- Jim
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Coleman fuel works quite well. I agree with Clarance Lee on the fact the octane ratings on this size engine is meaningless. It will run as well or better on the lower octane mixes. I personally use as much oil as I can without fouling the plugs, usually about 30 to 40%.
Coleman fuel works quite well. I agree with Clarance Lee on the fact the octane ratings on this size engine is meaningless. It will run as well or better on the lower octane mixes. I personally use as much oil as I can without fouling the plugs, usually about 30 to 40%.
If you drain all the fuel and plug all the lines to your fuel tank you will have very little gasoline smell. There was another thread here recently about this , some people posted a link where you could buy, at a premium price, oderless fuel that had the required octane ratings. This topic seems to come up once a month.
Joe
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40% work?
OK RC Universe Moderator, why do you have to hose my post with a poorly written script to an advertisment?
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Moderator's second note:Another moderator happened along and was able to correct the post by splitting up the key advertising words to get rid of the bad programming situation for now.
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ORIGINAL: JBrannon
Dont you mean 30 or 40:1. You had better be careful betting your piston and jug on what people say here. Most of this info is second hand. B*M*E requires you to run 87 octane, Z*D*Z requires 92 octane. Running low octane fuel on a hot day or with poor engine cooling could easily burn a hole in your piston.
If you drain all the fuel and plug all the lines to your fuel tank you will have very little gasoline smell. There was another thread here recently about this , some people posted a link where you could buy, at a premium price, oderless fuel that had the required octane ratings. This topic seems to come up once a month.
Joe
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ORIGINAL: Rodney
Coleman fuel works quite well. I agree with Clarance Lee on the fact the octane ratings on this size engine is meaningless. It will run as well or better on the lower octane mixes. I personally use as much oil as I can without fouling the plugs, usually about 30 to 40%.
Coleman fuel works quite well. I agree with Clarance Lee on the fact the octane ratings on this size engine is meaningless. It will run as well or better on the lower octane mixes. I personally use as much oil as I can without fouling the plugs, usually about 30 to 40%.
If you drain all the fuel and plug all the lines to your fuel tank you will have very little gasoline smell. There was another thread here recently about this , some people posted a link where you could buy, at a premium price, oderless fuel that had the required octane ratings. This topic seems to come up once a month.
Joe
Edit: Edited to remove links
I have been using Coleman fuel exclusively in my ZDZ80, GT80, G38's and my DA50's. I have used Coleman on and off (depends on availability) for the past ten years.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40:1 work?
ok, sounds like coleman fuel works with the possible problem of low octane causing high heat. how about a shot of 104 octane boost? wouldn't take much, they advertise 1 bottle treats 16 gallons of normal gasoline.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40:1 work?
If you go to an airport to buy avgas, by law they cannot pump it into anything but an airplane labaled 100LL avgas. But if you talk to some of the people or know some pilots you may get them to over look the law.
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I tried to get 100LL once and could not get it.
I tried to get 100LL once and could not get it.
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RE: will Coleman fuel / white gas and oil 40:1 work?
A word to the wise: this thread is filled with a lot of significant misinformation. There are also some pearls of wisdom. Rather than go into which is which and start a flame war, I caution each of you to research on the web the following: Race fuel, AVGAS, White Gas, Coleman Fuel, Vapor Pressure, and Octane, specifically when used in 2 cycle applications. The motorcycle guys have been at this a lot longer than us, and have some very good articles out there.
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