What's a good 28% ARF?
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What's a good 28% ARF?
What are some good sites to look at for large scale planes? I am wanting to get a 1/4 scale or slightly bigger plane and have no idea where to begin? Not looking to go full out and break the bank as it will be my first giant scale. Any help would be great!! Maybe Henry or Fred could help me out too - help the cable guy out!
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RE: Websites?
www.aerotech-rcmodels.com
www.chiefaircraft.com
www.kangkeusa.com
Personally I think the Kangke Hurricane is a great ARF to start with. It is very forgiving and priced right if you like 3D. If you want an IMAC plane ck out AeroTech's Velox 28% ARF.
www.chiefaircraft.com
www.kangkeusa.com
Personally I think the Kangke Hurricane is a great ARF to start with. It is very forgiving and priced right if you like 3D. If you want an IMAC plane ck out AeroTech's Velox 28% ARF.
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
I like the Wild Hare 28% Extra and Kangke's 28% Laser 2000...I have both
I have yet to fly the Wild Hare Extra but the quality of the ARF is outstanding. The Kangke is outstanding also, and flies very well. It's not a 3D machine, but that's okay because I'm not a 3D pilot! Either plane will get you into giant scale aerobatics for between $1500 and $2000. Good luck!
I have yet to fly the Wild Hare Extra but the quality of the ARF is outstanding. The Kangke is outstanding also, and flies very well. It's not a 3D machine, but that's okay because I'm not a 3D pilot! Either plane will get you into giant scale aerobatics for between $1500 and $2000. Good luck!
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
There is really only one answer to this question.
[link=http://www.extremeflightrc.com]Extreme Flight RC[/link]
Their 28% Yak's will be out this summer.
Compare spec's and keep in mind that the Yak's will come out to 15 pounds or less with a DA-50
Much more wing on the Yak than anything in this size range.
Carbon wing and stab tubes, awesome hardware and wing bags will be included.
The construction needs to be seen to be appreciated. There isnt any other ARF built like these planes.
My buddy has flown the prototype and said it was like flying a 40%'er.
He posted pics of it in this thread a few months ago.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.a...682&tostyle=tm
[link=http://www.extremeflightrc.com]Extreme Flight RC[/link]
Their 28% Yak's will be out this summer.
Compare spec's and keep in mind that the Yak's will come out to 15 pounds or less with a DA-50
Much more wing on the Yak than anything in this size range.
Carbon wing and stab tubes, awesome hardware and wing bags will be included.
The construction needs to be seen to be appreciated. There isnt any other ARF built like these planes.
My buddy has flown the prototype and said it was like flying a 40%'er.
He posted pics of it in this thread a few months ago.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.a...682&tostyle=tm
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
Don't forget about the Composite-Arf 2.3 Extra. It is just slightly larger at 30% but not much. If it fly's anything like the 2.6 it is gona be a real barn burner! And...................a little birdie told me to keep an eye out for an all new 2.0 (80" wing span) Comp-Arf Extra. They are really worth consideration.
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
T28pilot,
Be careful with a couple of statements. The comment about weight, hmmm. I think it's been shown again and again, that the true weight of an ARF can not be determined untill some people have actually received and assembled the plane. Much more wing on the Yak than anything in this size, somewhat true. The WH 28% Edge540T is 3" smaller wingspan and 1390 sqinches, so very close. I am sure the Yak is a great plane, I have ordered a 2.6m Yak from CompositeARF myself, but it is also 63% more expensive than the WH 28% planes.
I'm not dogging any manufacturers here, I'm just saying be careful with statements on products that are not yet in the general publics hands.
DKjens
Be careful with a couple of statements. The comment about weight, hmmm. I think it's been shown again and again, that the true weight of an ARF can not be determined untill some people have actually received and assembled the plane. Much more wing on the Yak than anything in this size, somewhat true. The WH 28% Edge540T is 3" smaller wingspan and 1390 sqinches, so very close. I am sure the Yak is a great plane, I have ordered a 2.6m Yak from CompositeARF myself, but it is also 63% more expensive than the WH 28% planes.
I'm not dogging any manufacturers here, I'm just saying be careful with statements on products that are not yet in the general publics hands.
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There is really only one answer to this question.
[link=http://www.extremeflightrc.com]Extreme Flight RC[/link]
Their 28% Yak's will be out this summer.
Compare spec's and keep in mind that the Yak's will come out to 15 pounds or less with a DA-50
Much more wing on the Yak than anything in this size range.
Carbon wing and stab tubes, awesome hardware and wing bags will be included.
The construction needs to be seen to be appreciated. There isnt any other ARF built like these planes.
My buddy has flown the prototype and said it was like flying a 40%'er.
He posted pics of it in this thread a few months ago.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.a...682&tostyle=tm
There is really only one answer to this question.
[link=http://www.extremeflightrc.com]Extreme Flight RC[/link]
Their 28% Yak's will be out this summer.
Compare spec's and keep in mind that the Yak's will come out to 15 pounds or less with a DA-50
Much more wing on the Yak than anything in this size range.
Carbon wing and stab tubes, awesome hardware and wing bags will be included.
The construction needs to be seen to be appreciated. There isnt any other ARF built like these planes.
My buddy has flown the prototype and said it was like flying a 40%'er.
He posted pics of it in this thread a few months ago.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.a...682&tostyle=tm
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
DK,
You are right. We will have to wait and see where the Yak's come in at but look at this.
Even if you take the Yak at 17 pounds (which I doubt it will be) and compare it to the WH Edge at 18 pounds the Yak still will have a lighter wing loading.
I am using 18 pounds for the WH because if you look around that seems to be about average for that plane in customers hands.
Yak:
17 pounds
1450 Sqin
27.01 oz/sqft loading
WH Edge
18 pounds
1390 Sqin
29.83 oz/sqft loading
You are right. We will have to wait and see where the Yak's come in at but look at this.
Even if you take the Yak at 17 pounds (which I doubt it will be) and compare it to the WH Edge at 18 pounds the Yak still will have a lighter wing loading.
I am using 18 pounds for the WH because if you look around that seems to be about average for that plane in customers hands.
Yak:
17 pounds
1450 Sqin
27.01 oz/sqft loading
WH Edge
18 pounds
1390 Sqin
29.83 oz/sqft loading
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
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What are some good sites to look at for large scale planes? I am wanting to get a 1/4 scale or slightly bigger plane and have no idea where to begin? Not looking to go full out and break the bank as it will be my first giant scale. Any help would be great!! Maybe Henry or Fred could help me out too - help the cable guy out!
What are some good sites to look at for large scale planes? I am wanting to get a 1/4 scale or slightly bigger plane and have no idea where to begin? Not looking to go full out and break the bank as it will be my first giant scale. Any help would be great!! Maybe Henry or Fred could help me out too - help the cable guy out!
Noxam - if you want an exceptional flyer, one that looks incredible, and will give years of enjoyment - consider the Kangke CAP 120 . It is a beautiful airplane - well built and it flies incredibly. I own many planes and it is in the top 3 of my fleet.
Here is what I have in mine:
CAP 120 ARF - $360
3W-24 w/muff $400 (used from RC Bugman)
JR PCM R770 RX $75
Hitec 5475HB Digitals (2 ail, 2 elev) $35 each = $140
Hitech 5945 Rudder - $80
3W 18x8 prop $16
3W Spinner - $45
Switches, wiring, Li-Ion power - $200
Total invested - $1316
This is a very affordable larger scale plane. If flies and looks a lot bigger that it is... I turn heads every time I put it up..
it has a 78" wingspan, and that 3W-24 absolutely rips
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
I had the "Old" style Kangke Hurricane with the counter balanced elevators, had the DA50 and set up with JR8411s and a 24 oz tank I came in at 14.75 pounds. No additional lightening. I did pull the tail wires and replaced them with coated fishing leader 60#, changed the tail wheel for a Carbon Graphtech. Flew Great! No bad habits at all. I sold it to a buddy after quite a bit of use and he is still flying it.
I hate to buy Asian but I needed to have something to get in the air while I built a new 35% kit. It served its purpose much better than I had hoped for.
Conplaints: Cruddy tail wires, cruddy tail wheel, cruddy wheel pants. Stiffen the landing gear supports.
Highs: Great 3D trainer, No bad habits to stall, Well made, covering good, easy build, great hardware pkg, easiest plane to fly past a Four Star 40. Company was easy to deal with.
Needs a BME 50, DA 50 to be full no excuse power. A 40cc is OK. We have had varied setups in the club.
I hate to buy Asian but I needed to have something to get in the air while I built a new 35% kit. It served its purpose much better than I had hoped for.
Conplaints: Cruddy tail wires, cruddy tail wheel, cruddy wheel pants. Stiffen the landing gear supports.
Highs: Great 3D trainer, No bad habits to stall, Well made, covering good, easy build, great hardware pkg, easiest plane to fly past a Four Star 40. Company was easy to deal with.
Needs a BME 50, DA 50 to be full no excuse power. A 40cc is OK. We have had varied setups in the club.
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I have to go with the WildHare Edge and Extra. Having flown the Edge, I can attest to the fact that it is a GREAT flying plane. The parts fit was excellent and simple. The optional hardware kit was more than adaqute. The finish was great.
I won't say that mine came in at the suggested weight, it did not and was on the heavy side. But even at 20 pounds with two 24oz tanks, redundant batteries and a smoke system it's an absolutely super flying aircraft. VERY easy to land. In over 30 years of R/C, it's the best I have had. Good enogh that I bought two more.
It's also lower priced than most all the others in it's class.
I won't say that mine came in at the suggested weight, it did not and was on the heavy side. But even at 20 pounds with two 24oz tanks, redundant batteries and a smoke system it's an absolutely super flying aircraft. VERY easy to land. In over 30 years of R/C, it's the best I have had. Good enogh that I bought two more.
It's also lower priced than most all the others in it's class.
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
I vehemently disagree with the "average 18# statement on the Wild Hare Edge. I went DA~50, 5945's, Duralite system, all in all done at 16.5 lbs. You reccomending a plane that is not availible, not proven, not market tested is just plain WRONG!!!
Clearly you have either an affiliation with the company that produces the Yak, or another agenda.
I am in no way connected to WHare, but I AM flying one 10-15 TIMES PER WEEK....there is no better value on the planet than the Wild Hare planes at $400.00
That's a FACT, not fairy tale.
Clearly you have either an affiliation with the company that produces the Yak, or another agenda.
I am in no way connected to WHare, but I AM flying one 10-15 TIMES PER WEEK....there is no better value on the planet than the Wild Hare planes at $400.00
That's a FACT, not fairy tale.
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
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I vehemently disagree with the "average 18# statement on the Wild Hare Edge. I went DA~50, 5945's, Duralite system, all in all done at 16.5 lbs. You reccomending a plane that is not availible, not proven, not market tested is just plain WRONG!!!
Clearly you have either an affiliation with the company that produces the Yak, or another agenda.
I am in no way connected to WHare, but I AM flying one 10-15 TIMES PER WEEK....there is no better value on the planet than the Wild Hare planes at $400.00
That's a FACT, not fairy tale.
I vehemently disagree with the "average 18# statement on the Wild Hare Edge. I went DA~50, 5945's, Duralite system, all in all done at 16.5 lbs. You reccomending a plane that is not availible, not proven, not market tested is just plain WRONG!!!
Clearly you have either an affiliation with the company that produces the Yak, or another agenda.
I am in no way connected to WHare, but I AM flying one 10-15 TIMES PER WEEK....there is no better value on the planet than the Wild Hare planes at $400.00
That's a FACT, not fairy tale.
And 16.5#, from what I have read, is certainly not average for WH's Edge, either.
I agree that an un-released product needs to be evaluated by buyers before a final judgment is made on it. But, you accusing someone of being affiliated with Extreme R/C and/or having another agenda is a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black, dontcha think?
FWIW, I think WH's aircraft are an incredible value, and I plan to purchase their 28% edge this coming fall as my first giant scale.
05-02-2004, 11:44 PM
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Just for the heck of it, I researched the final price tag on my W/H Edge. All the items used are new.
5) 5945 servos
1) hs225mg throttle servo
1) 8611 servo
1) Brison 3.2, shipping cost included
1) Pitts side mount muffler
5) Nelson RCL70 ball link hardware packs
1) 1,400 mAh Ignition battery
Numerous Cermark servo extensions
3) Cermark H/D switches
Central Hobbies C/F control rods and ends
1) i4c Isolator
Duralite 4400mAh 7.4v battery and regulator
Misc. nuts, bolts and other hardware
1) 8 oz. Gorilla glue
1) Wild Hare Edge 540 and hardware pack with shipping costs included
1) AirWild 1 1/2" servo arm
Completed cost: $1,745.00
Flys too good not to have one.
5) 5945 servos
1) hs225mg throttle servo
1) 8611 servo
1) Brison 3.2, shipping cost included
1) Pitts side mount muffler
5) Nelson RCL70 ball link hardware packs
1) 1,400 mAh Ignition battery
Numerous Cermark servo extensions
3) Cermark H/D switches
Central Hobbies C/F control rods and ends
1) i4c Isolator
Duralite 4400mAh 7.4v battery and regulator
Misc. nuts, bolts and other hardware
1) 8 oz. Gorilla glue
1) Wild Hare Edge 540 and hardware pack with shipping costs included
1) AirWild 1 1/2" servo arm
Completed cost: $1,745.00
Flys too good not to have one.
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
ORIGINAL: Silversurfer
Just for the heck of it, I researched the final price tag on my W/H Edge. All the items used are new.
5) 5945 servos
1) hs225mg throttle servo
1) 8611 servo
1) Brison 3.2, shipping cost included
1) Pitts side mount muffler
5) Nelson RCL70 ball link hardware packs
1) 1,400 mAh Ignition battery
Numerous Cermark servo extensions
3) Cermark H/D switches
Central Hobbies C/F control rods and ends
1) i4c Isolator
Duralite 4400mAh 7.4v battery and regulator
Misc. nuts, bolts and other hardware
1) 8 oz. Gorilla glue
1) Wild Hare Edge 540 and hardware pack with shipping costs included
1) AirWild 1 1/2" servo arm
Completed cost: $1,745.00
Flys too good not to have one.
Just for the heck of it, I researched the final price tag on my W/H Edge. All the items used are new.
5) 5945 servos
1) hs225mg throttle servo
1) 8611 servo
1) Brison 3.2, shipping cost included
1) Pitts side mount muffler
5) Nelson RCL70 ball link hardware packs
1) 1,400 mAh Ignition battery
Numerous Cermark servo extensions
3) Cermark H/D switches
Central Hobbies C/F control rods and ends
1) i4c Isolator
Duralite 4400mAh 7.4v battery and regulator
Misc. nuts, bolts and other hardware
1) 8 oz. Gorilla glue
1) Wild Hare Edge 540 and hardware pack with shipping costs included
1) AirWild 1 1/2" servo arm
Completed cost: $1,745.00
Flys too good not to have one.
Better look at my new thread in this forum...
Spooky...
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
This IS the owner of the WH John...
BA30 got locked out.
BA30 got locked out.
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Hey Adam, does the owner of that plane ever fly it himself????[:-]
If your into bipes the Aeroworks 50cc bipe is the best 50cc plane I have flown to date, and I have flown the WH edges. I have vid of the bipe if you want also.
Hey Adam, does the owner of that plane ever fly it himself????[:-]
If your into bipes the Aeroworks 50cc bipe is the best 50cc plane I have flown to date, and I have flown the WH edges. I have vid of the bipe if you want also.
05-03-2004, 10:34 AM
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ORIGINAL: Silversurfer
Just for the heck of it, I researched the final price tag on my W/H Edge. All the items used are new.
5) 5945 servos
1) hs225mg throttle servo
1) 8611 servo
1) Brison 3.2, shipping cost included
1) Pitts side mount muffler
5) Nelson RCL70 ball link hardware packs
1) 1,400 mAh Ignition battery
Numerous Cermark servo extensions
3) Cermark H/D switches
Central Hobbies C/F control rods and ends
1) i4c Isolator
Duralite 4400mAh 7.4v battery and regulator
Misc. nuts, bolts and other hardware
1) 8 oz. Gorilla glue
1) Wild Hare Edge 540 and hardware pack with shipping costs included
1) AirWild 1 1/2" servo arm
Completed cost: $1,745.00
Flys too good not to have one.
Just for the heck of it, I researched the final price tag on my W/H Edge. All the items used are new.
5) 5945 servos
1) hs225mg throttle servo
1) 8611 servo
1) Brison 3.2, shipping cost included
1) Pitts side mount muffler
5) Nelson RCL70 ball link hardware packs
1) 1,400 mAh Ignition battery
Numerous Cermark servo extensions
3) Cermark H/D switches
Central Hobbies C/F control rods and ends
1) i4c Isolator
Duralite 4400mAh 7.4v battery and regulator
Misc. nuts, bolts and other hardware
1) 8 oz. Gorilla glue
1) Wild Hare Edge 540 and hardware pack with shipping costs included
1) AirWild 1 1/2" servo arm
Completed cost: $1,745.00
Flys too good not to have one.
Seems pretty high $$ to me.... for a few hundred more, I got a CA 31% extra ARC with a 3W-75i and most of the same config above (less the isolator - don't see a need for that $$ on a plane this size..). It's not much more in weight, but a a ton more power and wing area - a better engine, and a lot bigger looking plane but still fits in the truck - I also got to cover it myself allowing me to make some mods , tailor it to my liking so it doesn't look like everyone else's...
I have flown both the WH and the CA - the CA flies a lot lighter.
DP
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
ptgarcia - no problem here's a breakdown too -
CA 31% ARC - $600 + $60 shipping = $660
3W-75i with muffler, prop, and mount kit = $695
Pete's CF 4" spinner ($80)
2 hitec 5945MG servos (ele) $150
1 hitech 5735MG giant (rudder) $75
2 JR DS8611 servos (ail) $190
1 hitech 425BB servo (throttle) $12
Airwild / MLP servo hardware + pull pull rig (rudder) $60
Kavan wheels $20
Misc hardware, hinge points, horns (Dubro, Robart) $40
JR PCM R770 Receiver $75
Airwild servo extensions - $16
Cermark HD switches (3) $45
MPI regulators (3) $60
Fromeco Relion 2200 mAh Li-Ion packs (3) $100
RCATS optical isolator throttle cut-off switch $50
Paint / Covering - $60
Grand Total = $2278 +/- a few percent for shipping, etc...
I built this plane with the best of everything and all was new / unused. I am sure it could have built for less. I am confident that it could be built between $2000 on the low side and $2500 or more on the high side... (CF wingtube, gear, more colors in covering, etc)
Granted this was not an inexpensive project, but these planes are amazingly well built and designed and will fly for years if they are taken care of. I know guys that have hundreds of flights on theirs. As far as I am concerned, ARFs are disposables. I like to build my own, but when I cannot build - the ARC is the best way to go. It allows me to cover to my own scheme and I get to see the construction quality (or lack thereof)... before I fly it. I would have a very hard time putting $2K into something I could not examine the airframe on..... you'de be surprised at what I have found under the covering on some ARFs...
DP
CA 31% ARC - $600 + $60 shipping = $660
3W-75i with muffler, prop, and mount kit = $695
Pete's CF 4" spinner ($80)
2 hitec 5945MG servos (ele) $150
1 hitech 5735MG giant (rudder) $75
2 JR DS8611 servos (ail) $190
1 hitech 425BB servo (throttle) $12
Airwild / MLP servo hardware + pull pull rig (rudder) $60
Kavan wheels $20
Misc hardware, hinge points, horns (Dubro, Robart) $40
JR PCM R770 Receiver $75
Airwild servo extensions - $16
Cermark HD switches (3) $45
MPI regulators (3) $60
Fromeco Relion 2200 mAh Li-Ion packs (3) $100
RCATS optical isolator throttle cut-off switch $50
Paint / Covering - $60
Grand Total = $2278 +/- a few percent for shipping, etc...
I built this plane with the best of everything and all was new / unused. I am sure it could have built for less. I am confident that it could be built between $2000 on the low side and $2500 or more on the high side... (CF wingtube, gear, more colors in covering, etc)
Granted this was not an inexpensive project, but these planes are amazingly well built and designed and will fly for years if they are taken care of. I know guys that have hundreds of flights on theirs. As far as I am concerned, ARFs are disposables. I like to build my own, but when I cannot build - the ARC is the best way to go. It allows me to cover to my own scheme and I get to see the construction quality (or lack thereof)... before I fly it. I would have a very hard time putting $2K into something I could not examine the airframe on..... you'de be surprised at what I have found under the covering on some ARFs...
DP
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RE: What's a good 28% ARF?
If you are a bipe lover like me [8D], how about a nice GP Christen Eagle or if more into 3D maybe the new Aeroworks Ultimate 28% will fit. Both perfect for that DA 50 or similar gassers. Just my $0.02