REVO_RACER

as this year comes to a end there alot of new people getting traxxas trucks and as new people they try to help as fast as they can not knowing what is wrong and how to help (sometimes the mess up the thing that is wrong more than they fix it witch will make u look like this[:@]) thw moral of this post is to make sure ur new trucks dont get broken and you get mad

P.S. i am not making this post to act like i know it all. i dont im just looking out for the noobs out there.

rcdude37

good point... "have fun and break some things with your new truck"... yea dont worry it will happen, dont get angry when something breaks, it is a hobby. hobby defined by me: something one does for fun, gets nothing out of but fun and has much time and money invested into...

you may want to pm one of the mods, it might get stickied quicker... not that they dont do what they are here for, but they have alot to do and dont always read some of the posts...

RCKen

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I've looked at this thread and I don't see any information here that would warrant making this thread a sticky. The administration of RCU has given us guidelines for placing stickies in the forum lists, and those are really pretty strict. About a year ago there were some forums with so many stickies in them that it was actually turning members off, and they weren't reading the forum. Too many stickies really just clogs up the forums.

Ken

SlowDriver

... or more time and money in some of our cases. I probably spend 10 hrs a week just working on my trucks prepping for the weekend.

BAMF90

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First you say the above.

Then you say that. What's the point of the post if you're just contradicting against yourself? First you're saying to not break your truck. Then you come right out and say, "GO AHEAD, BREAK IT!" I don't see this as a useful post, or even better A STICKY???

REVO_RACER

lol it was my old sig im goon change it now

BAMF90

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Haha, did you edit you're first post so you don't look like a fool?

REVO_RACER

no i edited it because i can lol no but what you said made sence so i changed it lol

ScRacing

Why don't you make the revo pics a stickey and the old revo racing thread? The pics are good for every one to tell what are hte best modifications for anything, and we had some realy good how to's in hte revo racing thread. Just a thought, i think they are much more importent then this.

REVO_RACER

ya in all the other forums the top stickys are pics i think that you should make the REVO RACIN' THREAD into a sticky the REVO PICS thread and THE TMAXX PICS thread into one

RCKen

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I'm sorry, but a thread full of pictures is nowhere near the level required for a thread being made a sticky. This is simply because of the fact that every member has a gallery available to the to post pictures in. If member would like to post pictures for everybody to see then they should put them in their galleries. I do understand that you may want all of the pictures together in one place and that's why you put them into a thread, but as I said already this doesn't meet the criteria needed to make a thread sticky.

If there are good "How-to's" in these thread I would recommend that they be submitted to the [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/index.cfm]RCU Magazine.[/link] This is the perfect place to find information such as How-to's. I just counted them and found only 6 How-to's related to RC Cars/Trucks. If our member have information to put out this is the perfect place to show off what they know.

Ken

REVO_RACER

Just passing along a little info I have found.... alittle long but nice read...

Toe is the angle (inwards or outwards) that the tires point when the wheel is straight ahead. Toe-in means the front of the tires point inward, and toe-out means they point outward. Zero toe means the tires are parallel to each other. The biggest effect toe has on the handling of the car is on stability. When a car hits a bump or enters a corner, forces on the tires act to steer the car off to one side, making the car unstable and difficult to control. Toe-in counteracts this, improving stability. Toe-in also causes understeer during initial corner entry. Interestingly, toe on the rear wheels has the same effect on handling as toe on the front. Toe on the rear wheels is useful for tuning the handling of the car as it is exiting corners.

Front Toe "IN"
Slower steering response
More straight-line stability
Too much will casuse greater wear at the outboard edges of the tires

Front Zero Toe
Medium steering response
Minimum power loss
Minimum tire wear

Front Toe "OUT"
Quicker steering response
Less straight-line stability
Too much will cause greater wear at the inboard edges of the tires

Less Rear Toe "IN"
Less straight-line stability
Less traction out of the corner
More steering
Higher top speed

Intermediate Rear Toe "IN"
Intermediate straight-line stability
Intermediate traction out of the corner
Intermediate steering
Intermediate top speed

More Rear Toe "IN"
More straight-line stability
More traction out of the corner
Less steering
Less top speed

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Caster
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Caster is the angle to which the steering pivot axis is tilted forward or rearward from vertical, as viewed from the side. If the pivot axis is tilted backward (that is, the top pivot is positioned farther rearward than the bottom pivot), then the caster is positive; if it's vertical to the lower pivot point then the caster is zero.

Less Castor (vertical = 0 castor)
More OFF POWER steering into the corner
Less steering out of the corner
Less straight-line stability

More Caster (laid back more)
Less steering into the corner
More ON POWER steering out of the corner
More straight-line stability

Benifiets of castor: (more positive castor/laid back more)

Maximizes tire contact pacth during roll, braking, and acceleration
Improves turn-in response
Increase directional stability
Improved steering "feel" and self-center
Increases dynamic negative camber during turn in

Castor Vs Camber:

Camber doesn’t improve turn-in, positive caster does.
Camber is not good for tire wear.
Camber doesn’t improve directional stability.
Camber adversely effects braking and acceleration.

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Shock Absorbers
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The purpose of the shock absorbers is to dampen the oscillation of the springs. The dampers not only dampen spring oscillations, but they also affect handling during transient conditions (such as the entry and exit of turns), but not steady-state conditions.

More Dampening
Slower shock action = could be unstable on bumpy tracks
Slower chassis weight transfer
Generally less traction

Less Dampening
Faster shock action = less chance of tire leaving the ground on bumpy tracks
Faster chassis weight transfer
Generally more traction

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Springs
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The purpose of the springs is to control wheel movement and keep the tire in contact with the road over bumps and irregularities. Stiffening the springs front and rear will reduce body roll and make handling more responsive, but cause a loss of traction over bumpy surfaces. Likewise, softening all of the springs will give more grip on bumpy tracks, but increase roll and reduce responsiveness. You can also use the springs to affect the car balance. You can reduce oversteer by stiffening the front springs or softening the rear. Likewise, you can reduce understeer by softening the front springs or stiffening the rear. However, be advised that changing just one end also affects fore/aft weight transfer. By softening the front springs, you'll also get more dive under braking. Softening the rear will give you more rear weight transfer under acceleration, which can give you more traction on the rear wheels in straight-line acceleration. Read and understand about "anti-roll bars" before you come to the conclusion that you need to change your springs, springs should be one of the last, if not the last thing you should change to effect how the car handles other than during a bump condition.

Using Softer Front Springs
More steering
Slower steering response
Used on bumpy tracks
More 'diving' under braking
Used more for tight technical tracks

Using Harder Front Springs
Less steering
Faster steering response
Used on flat tracks
Minimum 'diving' under braking
Used more for large fast tracks

Using Softer Rear Springs
More traction out of the corner
Slower steering response
Used on bumpy tracks
More front lift under acceleration
Used more for tight technical tracks

Using Harder Rear Springs
Less traction out of the corner
Faster steering response
Used on flat tracks
Minimum front lift under acceleration
Used more for large fast tracks

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Downforce
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Downforce is the aerodynamic force pressing the car down on the track and improves cornering grip. This downforce is dependent on forward speed, and increases as you go faster. Increasing the downforce all around increases cornering speed, but also increases drag, which gives you slower straightaway speed, and you may also need to increase ride height and/or spring stiffness to prevent bottoming. Likewise, decreasing downforce gives you lower cornering speeds but higher straightaway speeds, and allows you to run softer springs and/or a lower ride height. Also, you can also use downforce to fine-tune balance at high speeds. To reduce understeer, increase front downforce or reduce rear. To reduce oversteer, decrease front downforce or increase rear. Keep in mind that these adjustments are dependent on forward speeds and has less effect as speeds drop, so you can use this to give the car different handling characteristics for different speed ranges.


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Differential Settings
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Differential's are used to allow the wheels on the same end of the car to rotate at different speeds during cornering.
If diff's are set to tight or are "locked" the tires will fight each other as the car is turning.

Front Diff Looser than Rear Diff
Steering response increases
If rear diff is to tight, the car will understeer into the corner, and will cause loss rear end sliding out of the corner.
Could cause oversteer while entering the corner (depending on other settings)

Rear Diff Looser than Front Diff
Steering response decreases, stability in turns in increased
Could cause understeer or "push" while entering the corner (depending on other settings)

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Tires
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The tires are perhaps the most important part of the car. You can gain the biggest improvements by installing tires with more grip. Tires are available in many different compounds: hard - soft. Soft tires have more grip than hard tires, but wear out faster. You are also able to mix types front and back. You can reduce oversteer by using hard tires in front and soft tires in back. This gives the rear tires more grip than the fronts, making them less likely to slide out. Likewise, you can reduce understeer by putting soft tires up front and hard tires in back. If you car feel's like it is "loose" or "unstable" you may actually want to try a harder compound, by using a harder compound the tire will have less bounce, less side flex, and will typically offer a much more stable foundation.

Tires are to small:
Low forward traction
Low top speed
Car becomes twitchy

Tires are to big:
Very slow steering response
High chance of traction rolling
Tire distortion in turns
Less stable

Softer Front Tires:
More Steering
More wear
Less stable

Harder Front Tires:
Less steering
Less wear
More stable

Softer Rear Tires:
More rear traction
Less steering
More bounce on bumpy tracks
Less stable

Harder rear tires:
Less rear traction
More steering
Less bounce on bumpy tracks
More stable

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Camber
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( PLEASE READ ABOUT CASTOR BEFORE YOU ADJUST YOUR CAMBER )

Camber is the angle the tires make with the road and is measured in degrees. Tire grip varies with the camber angle, and ideally is maximum when the angle is zero. However, the maximum grip is found with a small amount of negative camber because of tire sidewall deflection (when the top of the tire is tilted inward it is called negative camber. Also, as the body rolls in a turn, the suspension movements themselves causes some adverse camber change. These combined effects mean that for maximum cornering power you need to have some amount of negative camber. However, too much camber will cause you to lose grip because the outside edge of the tire is being lifted off of the pavement, reducing the contact patch. So to summarize, as the camber angle increases from zero, cornering grip improves to a point, then falls off.

-2 deg. ~ -1 deg.
Front Camber
Quicker steering response
More overall side traction
Less chance of traction rolling

-1 deg. ~ 0 deg.
Front Camber
Less quick steering response
Less overall side traction
More chance of traction rolling

-2 deg. ~ -1 deg.
Rear Camber More overall side traction
More traction under braking
Less chance of traction rolling

-1 deg. ~ 0 deg.
Rear Camber Less overall side traction
Less traction under breaking
More chance of traction rolling

Ride Height
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A lower ride height lowers the center of gravity, which reduces weight transfer during cornering, acceleration, and braking. The reduced weight transfer improves cornering. A lower ride height also lowers drag at high speed because you are presenting a smaller frontal profile to the airstream. Also, by lowering the front end and raising the rear, you can improve high speed stability and increase downforce by preventing high-pressure air from building up underneath the nose of the car. If the car is too low, it can bottom out, though this can be eliminated by stiffening the springs(which could cause problems elsewhere).

is this useful

SlowDriver

GKill,

That's something I would like to see stickied. Good job!

Harvick

Now that was a useful post!

ScRacing

its from the revo racin thread, wich came from steev slayden, he was jsut saying something that was usefull from the thread.

beelzebubishere

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Very good info, would have been very courteous to state the author's name, Slayden, and even give a link back to the original post. In that way you show your willingness to help, but also your honesty in posting.

REVO_RACER

i got it dorm the traxxas web site fro a post in there revo racing thread that when i started mine

SIM2U

well I really would like to add to that barrel of knowledge but I can see this turning into a rant fest later...its a pity though as there should be a newbie thread in each section of the forum so that other members could assist and show what they know. but too many brains and contrasted concepts leads inevitably to one place with a mixture of ages and maturity levels adn that is...to the bush.

So on that note ill leave it at that...just a note.

REVO_RACER

wow sim u have a great idea thy should make noob sticky rooms so they can get fast help

rcdude37

to be honest... i think rather than a "noob" section they should make a sepperat tmaxx and revo thread... i have read more problems of people needing help with a problem with their truck, but the first post after it consists of "what truck do you have".... yes a noob section would be ok, but just more for the mods to look through, and i personaly think they are doing enough with what they have, maybe in everyones signitures at the bottom of the post, put in what truck, and a general idea of what they know(how long they have been in, if they know more about engines, radio's than the truck itself, basher or racer... just something to go by, you know what i mean?...
that would save the space of another section for less knowlegable people, everyone knows what they know and want to know more, so why shove them in a corner for "noobs" they will probably learn more with some of us than they will by the few people who would go in and help them... im not saying i wouldnt go into it, or that i know everything... but we have what we have, we might as well use it...

REVO_RACER

ya wow i was just thinking like that

rcdude37

hmm... what were you thinking now?? the same thing i was? i guess great minds do think alike!...

SlowDriver

Sim2U, if you've got some knowledge you think will be beneficial, by all means, I think it would be great if you posted it in a new thread for all to read. Don't just dangle that worm, then snatch it away!

SIM2U

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You misunderstand what I have said to respond with that hook! ....dangle!