E85 Gas
10-17-2008, 10:18 PM
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E85 Gas
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Status: offline I tried some E85 and 15% cool power 2:1 with additional 10% Klotz synthetic oil. Used an O.S. F glow plug and it ran very well. Up and down the rpm range on an O.S. FP40. Then mixed straight E85 and 18% Klotz synthetic oil and to my surprise is was smooth as silk. $2.49 a gallon for E85 and a little bit of oil and a new small 2 stroke fuel for my arsonal.
Next I will try it in a Saito 150 and will let you know. If that works on to a Super Tigre S2000 and a Super Tigre S61.
Any body else has any new mixtures?
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/16/2008 9:08:58 PM
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I tried some E85 and 15% cool power 2:1 with additional 10% Klotz synthetic oil. Used an O.S. F glow plug and it ran very well. Up and down the rpm range on an O.S. FP40. Then mixed straight E85 and 18% Klotz synthetic oil and to my surprise is was smooth as silk. $2.49 a gallon for E85 and a little bit of oil and a new small 2 stroke fuel for my arsonal.
Next I will try it in a Saito 150 and will let you know. If that works on to a Super Tigre S2000 and a Super Tigre S61.
Any body else has any new mixtures?
I guess you could call this a Gas fuel with Glow ignition you are using. Do you know the contents/specks of the E85 you use? Is all E85 about the same mix and quality? Thanks Capt,n Capt,n
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 7:21:39 AM
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 10:30:52 AM
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Status: online Is E85 the fuel that people say you loose 15% or more fuel mileage when run in a auto or truck? What is the octane of it? "just curious." Thanks Capt,n
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 12:11:20 PM
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Status: offline Octane is around 105. It is true that a vehicle will lose some gas mileage with E-85 unless it has an engine specifically designed for it. With the high octane, one could raise the compression ratio of the engine significantly, and this would not only increase power quite a lot, but it would gain back most, if not all of the fuel mileage lost.
High compression is what we call a "no lose" modification on an engine IF you have the fuel to run it. It impressively increases engine efficiency across the rpm band, whereas many other common engine mods cause the engine to lose low rpm torque in order to gain horsepower, and usually cause worse fuel mileage as well.
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 10:47:32 PM
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Status: online It kinda sounds like the Big SuperTiger 2300 & 3250 should run good on this E85 and about 10-12% Klotz oil....and the OS "F" Glow plug. Now that is a easy conversion! Capt,n UPDATE Places to buy E85 http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm
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Status: offline I tried some E85 and 15% cool power 2:1 with additional 10% Klotz synthetic oil. Used an O.S. F glow plug and it ran very well. Up and down the rpm range on an O.S. FP40. Then mixed straight E85 and 18% Klotz synthetic oil and to my surprise is was smooth as silk. $2.49 a gallon for E85 and a little bit of oil and a new small 2 stroke fuel for my arsonal.
Next I will try it in a Saito 150 and will let you know. If that works on to a Super Tigre S2000 and a Super Tigre S61.
Any body else has any new mixtures?
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/16/2008 9:08:58 PM
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ORIGINAL: the mother of invention
I tried some E85 and 15% cool power 2:1 with additional 10% Klotz synthetic oil. Used an O.S. F glow plug and it ran very well. Up and down the rpm range on an O.S. FP40. Then mixed straight E85 and 18% Klotz synthetic oil and to my surprise is was smooth as silk. $2.49 a gallon for E85 and a little bit of oil and a new small 2 stroke fuel for my arsonal.
Next I will try it in a Saito 150 and will let you know. If that works on to a Super Tigre S2000 and a Super Tigre S61.
Any body else has any new mixtures?
I guess you could call this a Gas fuel with Glow ignition you are using. Do you know the contents/specks of the E85 you use? Is all E85 about the same mix and quality? Thanks Capt,n Capt,n
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 7:21:39 AM
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 10:30:52 AM
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Status: online Is E85 the fuel that people say you loose 15% or more fuel mileage when run in a auto or truck? What is the octane of it? "just curious." Thanks Capt,n
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 12:11:20 PM
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Status: offline Octane is around 105. It is true that a vehicle will lose some gas mileage with E-85 unless it has an engine specifically designed for it. With the high octane, one could raise the compression ratio of the engine significantly, and this would not only increase power quite a lot, but it would gain back most, if not all of the fuel mileage lost.
High compression is what we call a "no lose" modification on an engine IF you have the fuel to run it. It impressively increases engine efficiency across the rpm band, whereas many other common engine mods cause the engine to lose low rpm torque in order to gain horsepower, and usually cause worse fuel mileage as well.
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RE: I converted a glow engine to run on E85 - 10/17/2008 10:47:32 PM
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Status: online It kinda sounds like the Big SuperTiger 2300 & 3250 should run good on this E85 and about 10-12% Klotz oil....and the OS "F" Glow plug. Now that is a easy conversion! Capt,n UPDATE Places to buy E85 http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm
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10-18-2008, 04:06 AM
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RE: E85 Gas
I remember 1969:
When I could not get methanol, I went to the chemist store for medicinal alcohol. which also is about 85% ethanol.
I blended it with the standard 25% castor and flew control line with it (McCoy engine). Nothing wrong with it, despite the water content of 15%.
Just a bit expensive then. The E85 fuel is much cheaper.
When I could not get methanol, I went to the chemist store for medicinal alcohol. which also is about 85% ethanol.
I blended it with the standard 25% castor and flew control line with it (McCoy engine). Nothing wrong with it, despite the water content of 15%.
Just a bit expensive then. The E85 fuel is much cheaper.
10-18-2008, 09:00 AM
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I am going to try some E85 today...my Grandson is going to collage in Big Rapids Mi. He is going to pick up some and I got the Klotz oil already!! We both fly RC Airplanes....this day we will fly today on my Birthday....HURRAY
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10-18-2008, 06:48 PM
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Have a nice birthday John.
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Have a nice birthday John.
10-20-2008, 10:35 PM
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Jesmo, Thanks you for your kind words. That Birthday was the best I ever had. lots of good thoughts to remember. I wish the same for you down there in Spring Texas. I guess we may have some snow flurries up here in Michigan this week-end. The flying season is getting short. Best regards, Capt,n P.S. I never did get a chance to try the E85 that day!
P.S. I never did get a chance to try the E85 that day!
10-22-2008, 08:03 AM
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On using E85...I may not try it at all. I spoke with a guy that says that fuel will freeze up(after setting) the regular rotary barrel carb right away. I guess he had 2 carbs that did not work in a short time. So I will not try it...carbs are too expensive to wreck. Best Regards Capt,n[X(][X(] Edit to add "after setting"
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why would the carb freeze up?
Ethanol is no worse than methanol in this respect, except for the water content. That could mean some ice formation, which can be prevented by allowing heat to the carb. The ice will however not damage your carb, but cause a dead stick. If you fly high, close in and fast until the fuel has shown to work well, there should be no fear of deadsticks I think.
Ethanol is no worse than methanol in this respect, except for the water content. That could mean some ice formation, which can be prevented by allowing heat to the carb. The ice will however not damage your carb, but cause a dead stick. If you fly high, close in and fast until the fuel has shown to work well, there should be no fear of deadsticks I think.
10-22-2008, 09:34 AM
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I think what he ment by "freeze up" is not in the air...but after setting a day or so after last run. I will call him and try to get more details. Thanks Capt,n P.S. It does sound strange to me too!
10-24-2008, 07:36 AM
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Good Morning Capt,n,
I have run E85 in a number of engines besides my SuperTigre. (I mentioned that I had used it in the ST over in the other thread) It has not caused any unusual problems in any of them and certainly no corroding or sticking of parts. The carb has to be readjusted when you switch from standard gasoline blends but the carbs I have tried it on worked just fine. (Walbro and Zama) Pe mentioned water in the E85 and maybe that was his problem. (Icing up?)
I have run E85 in a number of engines besides my SuperTigre. (I mentioned that I had used it in the ST over in the other thread) It has not caused any unusual problems in any of them and certainly no corroding or sticking of parts. The carb has to be readjusted when you switch from standard gasoline blends but the carbs I have tried it on worked just fine. (Walbro and Zama) Pe mentioned water in the E85 and maybe that was his problem. (Icing up?)
10-24-2008, 02:17 PM
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I think that the problem that he experienced would have been with the rapid breakdown of any O-rings that the particular carb used. Ethanol is very hard on some rubber components, while Methanol may not be.
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10-24-2008, 03:30 PM
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I think that the problem that he experienced would have been with the rapid breakdown of any O-rings that the particular carb used. Ethanol is very hard on some rubber components, while Methanol may not be.
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I think that the problem that he experienced would have been with the rapid breakdown of any O-rings that the particular carb used. Ethanol is very hard on some rubber components, while Methanol may not be.
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If this is the case, it's the gasoline in the fuel. The o-rings used for methanol are fully compatible with ethanol.
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RE: E85 Gas
Of the two alcohols, Methanol is the most damaging to humans, organics and mechanics. I cannot see how ethanol could be worse than methanol. All oxeginigated fuels forbid the use of too much methanol for a reason, while ethanol up to 10% is no problem.
10-24-2008, 06:34 PM
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RE: E85 Gas
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I think that the problem that he experienced would have been with the rapid breakdown of any O-rings that the particular carb used. Ethanol is very hard on some rubber components, while Methanol may not be.
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I think that the problem that he experienced would have been with the rapid breakdown of any O-rings that the particular carb used. Ethanol is very hard on some rubber components, while Methanol may not be.
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10-24-2008, 07:52 PM
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I've run kerosene through my four stroke carbs and not had any issues. I know it swells the o-rings. Sometimes the needle feels a little tighter because of this. There are never any o-rings on the carb barrel anyhow.
If you are going to experiment, one has to understand and be comfortable with scrapping parts. I take apart brand new engines and modify them. If I scrap a part, that's why they sell spares. Besides, unless you remove material, almost everything can be fixed.
If you are going to experiment, one has to understand and be comfortable with scrapping parts. I take apart brand new engines and modify them. If I scrap a part, that's why they sell spares. Besides, unless you remove material, almost everything can be fixed.
10-25-2008, 08:24 AM
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I've run kerosene through my four stroke carbs and not had any issues. I know it swells the o-rings. Sometimes the needle feels a little tighter because of this. There are never any o-rings on the carb barrel anyhow.
If you are going to experiment, one has to understand and be comfortable with scrapping parts. I take apart brand new engines and modify them. If I scrap a part, that's why they sell spares. Besides, unless you remove material, almost everything can be fixed.
I've run kerosene through my four stroke carbs and not had any issues. I know it swells the o-rings. Sometimes the needle feels a little tighter because of this. There are never any o-rings on the carb barrel anyhow.
If you are going to experiment, one has to understand and be comfortable with scrapping parts. I take apart brand new engines and modify them. If I scrap a part, that's why they sell spares. Besides, unless you remove material, almost everything can be fixed.
