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Old 12-07-2008, 02:39 PM
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There is a gas station close to where I live that sells k1 red dyed kerosene (non taxable, off road use) that is less than half the price of kerosene at Lowes or Home Depot. Any of you use it? I know that I left some in a container for a year or so and the container got stained. Would the dye cause problems in a turbine?
Old 12-07-2008, 02:48 PM
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i have used it in my jetcats.....i've never noticed any change in performance or any kind of damage to the engines...

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Old 12-07-2008, 03:00 PM
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Me too.. PST and Jetcat
Old 12-07-2008, 03:17 PM
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Most everyone at the fields I fly at, use the Red K-1 and have never had a Prob.


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Good deal. Maybe the inside of the turbine will turn red.

I remember in the old days when I was flying glow, I liked to use Cool Power fuel which was green in color. After a few gallons of fuel I opened up the engine to see how it holds up and to my surprise, the inside of the engine was completely green. Very cool.
Old 12-07-2008, 11:31 PM
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I have run "dyed" kero in many different brands over the years (Ram, SimJet, JetCat, Merlin, J-Central, G-Booster and Wren) without issue.

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Old 12-08-2008, 01:45 PM
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You''ll have no problems attributed to the 'red' in red K-1.

If no one minds...a K-1 w/ lube question: I've a friend who cannot recall if he 5% lubed his fuel. How to tell appreciated (I do recall letting a small amount evaporate....it will be gone if no lube....oily residue if lubed..) Better method (short of brain transplant)? Tx!

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Why is the kero dyed? In the midwest if you use dyed diesel in anything other than agricultural equipment and get caught its a pretty heafty fine.

Just a heads up

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ORIGINAL: Mark Basel

Why is the kero dyed? In the midwest if you use dyed diesel in anything other than agricultural equipment and get caught its a pretty heafty fine.

Just a heads up

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Red diesel is dyed because you don't pay road taxes on it and you should not use it on the road. You can use it in anything you want (including jets if they worked with it) except in road vehicles. I know a guy that used dyed diesel in his diesel tow truck and got caught and he almost went to jail. But they let him go for only a $3000 fine. How many galons of dyed diesel you need to buy at a $0.20 savings to save $3000?

But kero, I have never seen a vehicle that runs on kero.
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In some states kerosene is considered a taxable fuel and dyed red for off road use like Diesel. Dont kid yourself thinking you can use it for anything you want as long as its used off the gravel. If your looking to save a few bucks on fuel your in the wrong hobby! Lets see, take a chance on a 3K fine or buy a new JetCat...I just dont know[sm=72_72.gif]
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ORIGINAL: GreenAcre

Me too.. PST and Jetcat
Mario-

Are you getting this local? If so where & how much???

Brg,
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:56 PM
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Mark, are you telling me that flying my jet is 'on road use'?

This is not about saving a few bucks. It is more like not throwing away money if there is an alternative, just as good as the more expensive product (more than double the price to be exact). Lowes sells 5 galons for $49, and I can buy 5 galons at the local gas station for $20. Clear choice for me. All I asked was if it causes any problems in the engine, I know I am not doing anything illegal by using dyed kero.
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Well, lets see. You take off and land on a runway It probably a non issue and I can see the temptation in your case on cost although I have never paid that much for Kerosene even when the prices were sky high this past summer.

I personally wouldnt use it just to avoid any possible explaination, its dyed red not to make it pretty but to draw attention. Might be hard to explain that its just a hobby to the local authorities. Plus the red dye stains everything
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I will make sure that next time when I go out I will take off and land on the grass, next to the runway.
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You don't have to go to Lowes or Home Depot to buy clear K1. Around here some gas stations sell dyed K1 and some sell clear K1. In spite of the tax the retail cost is the same, and a lot cheaper than Lowes or Home Depot.

I have used both with no issues. The only thing I don't like about the dyed stuff is that over time it stains your fuel lines. If you use opaque lines then I guess it doesn't matter. I prefer clear lines so that I can easily check for bubbles.

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Old 12-14-2008, 07:24 AM
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Does this all mean that you guys in the USA are using domestic kerosene to run your turbines on? Has anyone had any issues or do you just add turbine oil at 5% and forget all about Jet-A1?
Old 12-14-2008, 08:24 AM
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Sperx, The reason some of us run Jet-A rather than K-1 is the fact that most all of the FBO's over here use "Prist"? (spelling) in there Jet-A to combat algae growth. If you fly often enough, Don't matter. Hooker53
Old 12-14-2008, 08:27 AM
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Default RE: Dyed Kerosene

I live in Ohio.

I have used the both alsoBut recently switched to the clear because it does stain your clothes.

Our local gas stations that sell it are Country Fair With Dye and Sheets without dye.

I beleve that BP also Sells Undyed Kero.

Joe
Old 12-14-2008, 11:19 AM
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The pump kero here i Phoenix is clear and after taxes its about $4 which is WAY cheaper than Kleenstrip at Ace Hardware. Kero has some road use, in the cold weather climates its commom to mix some kero in with the diesel for easier starting and help to stop the diesel from jelling up.
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:37 AM
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you can remove the red dye by filtering it though fullers earth just like the oil refinerys do
Old 12-14-2008, 12:02 PM
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Hooker53,
Prist is an anti-icing ingrediant...and is not sold as an algaecide.
Read all you need to about Prist Hi Flash at the manufacturers website [link=http://www.pristaerospace.com]prist aerospace[/link]www.pristaerospace.com
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Hi,

Where can you find pumped kero in SoCal?

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