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Old 09-16-2009, 08:39 PM
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ok i just got this 3.3 from traxxas and put it into my tmaxx. first issue i was having was the motor locking at tdc. i got through that issue by heating the block. now i just cant get the dang thing started. it starts after cranking for a few mins but will run for like 20 seconds tops. glow plug is good, ez start battery is fully charged and my ignitor is fully charged. the carb is set to factory settings. all it seems to be doing is wasting fuel and spitting it all out of the exhaust. i already went through one whole tank just trying to get it started. anyone know how i can get this started? im getting very agitated and frustrated with this and the sooner i have some well needed help the better.

PLEASEHELP!!!

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Old 09-16-2009, 08:57 PM
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Default RE: issues with brand new 3.3 motor PLEASE HELP!!!

Make sure your air filter is clean and if your using traxxas fuel change to blue thunder or byron originals. I had the same problem with my 3.3 with traxxas fuel. My other 3.3 I broke in with byron originals and was alot easier
Old 09-16-2009, 08:59 PM
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my air filter is clean and i am running o'donnell 20% fuel and i still have the issue
Old 09-16-2009, 09:21 PM
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If it was me and my motor I would lean it out a little, just enough to make it run without dying.
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wont that hurt the motor tho?
Old 09-16-2009, 09:43 PM
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nah, lean the hsn half a turn and the lsn 1/8th to 1/4 of a turn.
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and from there just break it in like normal?
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im gonna do this when i get out of work today. wish me luck lol.
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any other suggestions before i do this?
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Not really, that's exactly what I would do.
Stock settings are a starting point. They are designed to be adjusted as needed to get the engine running and as a starting point for tuning.
Since every engine is different and opperates in a different environment it is not unusual to have to tweek the needle settings some to get one running. If an engine is spitting raw fuel out the exhaust then it is obvious that the carb settings are too rich. Leaning a little bit at a time until the engine will keep running will not effect the break-in process nor will it hurt the engine. Tweek the HSN no more than 1/4 turn at a time and the LSN no more than 1/8 turn at a time just untill the engine will keep running. If it were mine I'd tweek the HSN 1/4 turn first, try to start, then the LSN 1/8 turn, try to start, then the HSN again, etc untill the engine starts and kees running. From there procede with the Traxxas break-in method - if the engine did not come with instructions then they are online at Traxxas website - and finally with tuning.
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Not really, that's exactly what I would do.
Stock settings are a starting point. They are designed to be adjusted as needed to get the engine running and as a starting point for tuning.
Since every engine is different and opperates in a different environment it is not unusual to have to tweek the needle settings some to get one running. If an engine is spitting raw fuel out the exhaust then it is obvious that the carb settings are too rich. Leaning a little bit at a time until the engine will keep running will not effect the break-in process nor will it hurt the engine. Tweek the HSN no more than 1/4 turn at a time and the LSN no more than 1/8 turn at a time just untill the engine will keep running. If it were mine I'd tweek the HSN 1/4 turn first, try to start, then the LSN 1/8 turn, try to start, then the HSN again, etc untill the engine starts and kees running. From there procede with the Traxxas break-in method - if the engine did not come with instructions then they are online at Traxxas website - and finally with tuning.
thank you. u dont know how much i appreciate the info u guys gave me. i was getting discouraged and this gives me new light to it.

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i tried what was said above and kinda got it running. at first i thought the clutch was on backwards so i took the motor backed out and the clutch was correct. next i went over EVERYTHINGon the motor and found that the piece that the hsn sits was loose. i tightened that up and put it all back together and put the needles back to factory settings and VOILA!! the motor started right up. only problem now is that it doesnt stay on. could there be something else i overlooked? or should i just lean it just a lil bit to keep it running? 2 out of 5 times it stayed running and i was able to rev it and it would hold idle. im gonna play with it a lil more when i get out of work today and cross my fingers and hope for the best lol.
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Default RE: issues with brand new 3.3 motor PLEASE HELP!!!

that would be the throttle stop screw, give it a little more air at idle, or lean out the LSN a little to see if that will work
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Default RE: issues with brand new 3.3 motor PLEASE HELP!!!

If you have good throttle response off the line, turn the idle stop up. If it stumbles upon takeoff, then the lsn needs adjustment.

Copied and pasted from another website:

Tuning Tips

1. If you have other hop ups, like a high performance pipe or air filter, hold of on installing them until you get the idea and practice of tuning down, any change you make to the motor will change how the mixtures are set, so get tuning down first, hop ups will follow. The Traxxas tuning guides and settings are based on stock motors, any change you make can and will affect the engine mixture settings.

2. Always tune with ½ a tank of fuel. The mixture progressively leans out as it nears empty, and tuning with ½ tank can help with overheating problems when the tank is near empty.


3. Tune in small increments. No more than 1/8 a turn at a time on the HSN (High Speed Needle), 1/16 a turn on the LSN (Low Speed Needle).

4. Use a fresh glow plug, especially after break in. Use a Traxxas 3231 or 3232 Super Duty plug. In the event that these are not available to you, the McCoy MC59, Megatech ‘Q’, OS LC3 (DuraTrax LR3) are known to work well. And always clean your motor good before trying to replace your glow plug, all it takes is 1 grain of sand to shorten your engine life.

5. Use fresh fuel, I prefer using 20-30% Nitro and if you are new to tuning Traxxas Top Fuel is formulated especially for Traxxas motors, if Top Fuel is not available consult your Local Hobby shop (LHS) for what they recommend.

6. Always tune with a warmed up motor. Always do a WOT (Wide open throttle) pass in between any adjustment no matter what needle you are dealing with, it help regulate the motor.

7. You have 2 mixture settings, Low and High speed. They work together. So you must tune them both in order to get good results. Many who post here don’t. Probably 90% of all tuning issues I have seen is because they do not touch the LSN.

8. Tune in this order. HSN, then LSN, set the idle, then HSN again, reset the idle if needed.

9. Use a handheld temp gauge at first as a reference. From there you tune by smoke trails and performance. You must have a visible smoke trail at top speed, if not - the HSN is too lean. Temp gauges are basically a tool for getting you in the ball park without frying your motor. Smoke trails and performance is used as a reference for the fine tuning part.



Pinch test for setting your LSN

1. With the motor warmed up do a WOT pass then pinch the fuel line 1-2†away from the fuel inlet of the carb and count how many seconds it runs till it stalls out completely.

2. Less than 3 seconds it’s too lean, richen the LSN by turning the needle counter clockwise, if it is more than 4 seconds it’s too rich, lean the LSN by turning the needle clockwise (remember no more than 1/16 a turn at a time.)

3. Engine RPM’s should rise slightly before the engine stalls. If there is no rise is RPM, the LSN is too lean, if the RPMs rise a lot, the LSN is too rich.
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Default RE: issues with brand new 3.3 motor PLEASE HELP!!!

being a noob at rc owned me. i had the one way bearing on backwards and was trying to start the motor that way. i fixed it and the motor runs now. being that i tried to start it so many times with this do any damage to the motor?
Old 09-19-2009, 10:14 AM
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Being that the engine will not turn over with the OWB installed backwards (unless you swapped the EZ Start wires on the starter motor) probably no harm was done. If you did swap the wires with the OWB installed backwards the engine was cranking  in the opposite direction than it was designed for. They will actually start and run that way...But not very well and it puts a lot of strain on the con-rod and piston.
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how does it put extra strain on the con rod? it doesn't care what direction it runs... the crank porting is the reason it doesn't run very well backwards, if it wasn't for that it wouldn't care.
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ok so it starts perfect now and runs good. i dont think anything will mess up on the motor. thanks for the help guys. next time i will check everything before i just throw it together and get mad lol.
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Glad ya got her running
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Glad ya got her running
thanks im on my 3rd tank breaking it in. spektrum remote is great for break in. im in hopes to go race it tomorrow so i wanna finish break in asap.


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