unidentified F-86
05-22-2010, 08:33 PM
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Someone gave this F-86 to a friend of mine and he didn't have room or time for it so he gave it to me. Can anyone tell me what company made this jet? It has about 56" wingspan and 61" fuse length if that helps.
05-22-2010, 08:53 PM
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what info are you needing? Byron no longer exists but Iron Bay may still have their site up. I a sure there are guys out there who can passon the info you need. I used to have the F86d as a matter of fact,see if you can email a Jim Simonitch, I sold it to him. Jim is usually here on RCU
05-22-2010, 11:00 PM
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RE: unidentified F-86
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when was the last time this plane has flown? They are pretty stable aircraft, not speed demons. Does this have retracts? What engine is mounted in this plane? Do you have the starter wand? Your biggest issue maybe finding fuel.......
when was the last time this plane has flown? They are pretty stable aircraft, not speed demons. Does this have retracts? What engine is mounted in this plane? Do you have the starter wand? Your biggest issue maybe finding fuel.......
05-23-2010, 05:08 AM
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RE: unidentified F-86
Save yourself the grief and sell it......heck - I'll buy it!
But if you really want to keep it, I believe a rossi R9 plug is what used to be run. You will need the byron starter wand, probably a 10-15% nitro mix fuel, and a better engine. I would not try to fly it on the 61, at the very least get an 81 or even better - an OS91 they ran very well inverted. The Rossi, well................................
It looks REALLY old as the tires are all flat, and if it's that old - you also need to replace the air lines. You also need to fix the covering on the wings and tail. Do not use anything other than Econocote as it is a low temp film and any other will wreak the foam. Of course you could glass them. Also check the wood parts and make sure they are glassed in and not just siliconed as was the old way to do Byrons way back when. The fuse is Polyester so epoxy won't stick, you have to use polyester resin. Looks like it needs lots of TLC before flying it.
Again - if you really want tot keep it I could copy the manual and mail it to you. Send me your address.
But if you really want to keep it, I believe a rossi R9 plug is what used to be run. You will need the byron starter wand, probably a 10-15% nitro mix fuel, and a better engine. I would not try to fly it on the 61, at the very least get an 81 or even better - an OS91 they ran very well inverted. The Rossi, well................................
It looks REALLY old as the tires are all flat, and if it's that old - you also need to replace the air lines. You also need to fix the covering on the wings and tail. Do not use anything other than Econocote as it is a low temp film and any other will wreak the foam. Of course you could glass them. Also check the wood parts and make sure they are glassed in and not just siliconed as was the old way to do Byrons way back when. The fuse is Polyester so epoxy won't stick, you have to use polyester resin. Looks like it needs lots of TLC before flying it.
Again - if you really want tot keep it I could copy the manual and mail it to you. Send me your address.
05-23-2010, 06:40 PM
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RE: unidentified F-86
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Save yourself the grief and sell it......heck - I'll buy it!
But if you really want to keep it, I believe a rossi R9 plug is what used to be run. You will need the byron starter wand, probably a 10-15% nitro mix fuel, and a better engine. I would not try to fly it on the 61, at the very least get an 81 or even better - an OS91 they ran very well inverted. The Rossi, well................................
It looks REALLY old as the tires are all flat, and if it's that old - you also need to replace the air lines. You also need to fix the covering on the wings and tail. Do not use anything other than Econocote as it is a low temp film and any other will wreak the foam. Of course you could glass them. Also check the wood parts and make sure they are glassed in and not just siliconed as was the old way to do Byrons way back when. The fuse is Polyester so epoxy won't stick, you have to use polyester resin. Looks like it needs lots of TLC before flying it.
Again - if you really want tot keep it I could copy the manual and mail it to you. Send me your address.
Save yourself the grief and sell it......heck - I'll buy it!
But if you really want to keep it, I believe a rossi R9 plug is what used to be run. You will need the byron starter wand, probably a 10-15% nitro mix fuel, and a better engine. I would not try to fly it on the 61, at the very least get an 81 or even better - an OS91 they ran very well inverted. The Rossi, well................................
It looks REALLY old as the tires are all flat, and if it's that old - you also need to replace the air lines. You also need to fix the covering on the wings and tail. Do not use anything other than Econocote as it is a low temp film and any other will wreak the foam. Of course you could glass them. Also check the wood parts and make sure they are glassed in and not just siliconed as was the old way to do Byrons way back when. The fuse is Polyester so epoxy won't stick, you have to use polyester resin. Looks like it needs lots of TLC before flying it.
Again - if you really want tot keep it I could copy the manual and mail it to you. Send me your address.
Also, it is that old; it had a Kraft servo in it.
I do want to keep it,I PM'd you my address. Thanks for the offer to send me a copy of the manuel.
05-23-2010, 07:02 PM
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RE: unidentified F-86
You MAY have a Rossi 81 as they used the .61 case and stamped .81 on the side of the mount lug........but it's likely older than that and you have an actual .61
Will it fly on a .61? Depends what the weight is. If it does it will be marginal and it won't be a speed demon - under 100 mph....probably more like 70mph. I think going with the .61 is asking for trouble. As for fuel - Wildcat is great stuff. Standard nitro fuel is what is used, just make sure you get 10 - 15%. I would highly suggest getting an onboard glow system as the Rossi's are notorious for flaming out at low RPM due to the inverted mounted position, the onboard glow saved me more than once. When the OS .91 came out it was a huge improvment as they would idle all day inverted, and I could actually start it with the plane upright on the ground instead of starting it upside down.
I'll get a copy of the manual out to you this comming week.
Will it fly on a .61? Depends what the weight is. If it does it will be marginal and it won't be a speed demon - under 100 mph....probably more like 70mph. I think going with the .61 is asking for trouble. As for fuel - Wildcat is great stuff. Standard nitro fuel is what is used, just make sure you get 10 - 15%. I would highly suggest getting an onboard glow system as the Rossi's are notorious for flaming out at low RPM due to the inverted mounted position, the onboard glow saved me more than once. When the OS .91 came out it was a huge improvment as they would idle all day inverted, and I could actually start it with the plane upright on the ground instead of starting it upside down.
I'll get a copy of the manual out to you this comming week.
05-23-2010, 07:18 PM
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You MAY have a Rossi 81 as they used the .61 case and stamped .81 on the side of the mount lug........but it's likely older than that and you have an actual .61
"just make sure you get 10 - 15%" does this mean the 20% byron fuel wont work at all? cause that is the only fuel I can get within 100miles of my house.
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RE: unidentified F-86
Mate, converting it to electric is not that expensive and HEAPS more reliable.
Here is a link that uses the exsisting fan and just drop in the motor, ESC and get some li-po's for Hobby city and your off and cooking! I did the conversion on my Byron F-16 and it's great. no worries about the engine running reliably etc...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ron+conversion
Here is a vid some guy at the field took of my converted F-16 during one of it's earlier flights before i installed the retracts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyOjc...os=wzeuKtx7ihs
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dave
Here is a link that uses the exsisting fan and just drop in the motor, ESC and get some li-po's for Hobby city and your off and cooking! I did the conversion on my Byron F-16 and it's great. no worries about the engine running reliably etc...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ron+conversion
Here is a vid some guy at the field took of my converted F-16 during one of it's earlier flights before i installed the retracts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyOjc...os=wzeuKtx7ihs
Thanks
dave
05-23-2010, 09:43 PM
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RE: unidentified F-86
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Mate, converting it to electric is not that expensive and HEAPS more reliable.
Here is a link that uses the exsisting fan and just drop in the motor, ESC and get some li-po's for Hobby city and your off and cooking! I did the conversion on my Byron F-16 and it's great. no worries about the engine running reliably etc...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ron+conversion
Here is a vid some guy at the field took of my converted F-16 during one of it's earlier flights before i installed the retracts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyOjc...os=wzeuKtx7ihs
Thanks
dave
Mate, converting it to electric is not that expensive and HEAPS more reliable.
Here is a link that uses the exsisting fan and just drop in the motor, ESC and get some li-po's for Hobby city and your off and cooking! I did the conversion on my Byron F-16 and it's great. no worries about the engine running reliably etc...
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...ron+conversion
Here is a vid some guy at the field took of my converted F-16 during one of it's earlier flights before i installed the retracts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyOjc...os=wzeuKtx7ihs
Thanks
dave
Gut it out and put electric fan motor, Could cost you less than messing around with old glow engine technology,
05-23-2010, 10:40 PM
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Standard nitro fuel won't cut it in ducted fan engines as it doesn't have enough oil. You need have at least 23% oil to save the D/F engine from seizing up at those higher RPM's. Wildcat 10% D/F fuel has the proper oil content. I would not use a standard fuel unless there is additional oil added to it.
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RE: unidentified F-86
skyhawknut, you were right, the engine is the .81. I took it out to look for rust and didn't find any, but I did find a little "B 81"
I have an extra O.S. F plug, would that work in the rossi engine?
I have an extra O.S. F plug, would that work in the rossi engine?
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RE: unidentified F-86
ORIGINAL: turboratt
fuel is easy you can mix it your self there was a thread on that and it worked for me
fuel is easy you can mix it your self there was a thread on that and it worked for me
05-24-2010, 02:17 PM
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Good luck with this one. All air hoses need to be changed, fuel lines, probably O-rings in the carb if it has sat long enough for the econokote to rot. You need to check that goofball byron's fuel system (if equiped) as it will be shot. The fuel manifild leaked when new, the glue they used to hold that two-part tank together is probably rotten as well. The retract O-rings will probably leak along with the valve if they are Roms, spring-air, not so sure. Check all of the hinges, the glue has been in there for 20+ years and might not be holding on too well anymore. Check the tape on the thrust tube, it tended to let go with age. Probably needs a new pipe coupler. Check the nyrod controls. I have the yellow nyrod snap like glass if it was exposed to light and heat for years.
The entire plane needs to be stripped and inspected. I concur on the electric conversion. It will have more power, zero vibration, and almost perfect reliability...all VERY important with a DF.
The entire plane needs to be stripped and inspected. I concur on the electric conversion. It will have more power, zero vibration, and almost perfect reliability...all VERY important with a DF.