danmilo

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After being given an old Pica Duelist (may even be a Platt Duelist) I am refreshing the plane for another life. This was glassed and painted. I am interested in obtaining the CG location.

I will be flying the economy route, twin O.S. 40 LA's. After reading the huge Duelist post I don't feel like discussing incidence degrees!!!

Any help would be appreciated. I will keep it with fixed gear.

Dan

William Robison

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Dan:

I have both versions of the early Duellist. Just checked the plans, both note the CG as 4 3/8" from the leading edge of the wing, or 4 3/8" from the back side of F-3 if you have fillets keeping you from an accurate LE location.

Hope this helps.

And I was the main instigator of the incidence discussion on the Duellist thread. So, a suggestion.

Since you are installing new engines consider altering the mounts, bring the engines to 2* up thrust, relative to the fuiselage datum line. This would make them match the wing's 2* positive (you would actually make them zero relative to the wing) and you would then effectively have the 0-0-0 settings of the Mk II version.

However, if this is your first twin you might want to leave them alone, it is a bit easier to fly with the downthrust. Inverted flight is harder, but upright flight is a little easier.

I know, you said you didn't want to hear about it. Sorry.

A Duellist always flies great,
. Whether warped, twisted, or straight.

Bill.

danmilo

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Bill, thanks for the reply. I am leaving the motor mounts as they were since they were still in the nacelles.

I want to kick myself for not thinking of this with my first post, do you happen to know the throws for ailerons, rudder and elevator?

Thanks again for your feedback. I'll post a few shots of the old girl. It must have been real pretty in her days.

I plan on flying her for a few times before I decide to repaint it as an F-7 or Mess 246.

Dan

William Robison

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danmilo:

"Set up the Duellist control surfaces as you would a pattern Sunday flyer." That's a direct quotation from the earlier kit's instructions. And the later kit's booklet says the same thing.

However, the later booklet goes on to define those settings as 1/2" up and down on the ailerons and 3/4" up and down on the elevator. Rudder? On a twin always get as much as you can. The later booklet says "Rudder at full throw."

Dual rates? I generally use a deflection meter and don't worry about inches. High 30 to 35 degrees on A/E, and cut to 20 degrees on low rates. The rudder stays with 40 to 45 degrees defection on both. Never restrict rudder throw on a twin.

You may never need it, but when you do rudder throw you don't have is like altitude above you.

I know for sure you'll like it.
. Your girl flies once, she'll tell you to hike it.

Bill.

mucksmear

no such thing as a mess 246

or is there?....

regards,
-E

William Robison

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MudDaub:
Think he means Me-262. Saw a post on another thread about converting a Duellist to twin DF, that would fit with the twin jets of the -262, but I don't remember if the post was one of Dan's.

Drive with jets or props,
. Duellist is still the tops.

Bill.

danmilo

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Just patronizing Mucksmear's web site and his nice Duellist and the fake Mess 246 historical!!! Or should I say, unsubstantiated???


THanks!


Dan

William Robison

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Dan:
Or maybe histerical?

Such wonderful bull and he kept it "Joke-y."
. Anyone who does that's gotta' be "Oke-y."

Bill.

mucksmear

Scandalous weapons of the Luftwaffe!